Talk:Buckeye chicken

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Good articleBuckeye chicken has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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May 18, 2008Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 9, 2008.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Buckeye is the only U.S. breed of chicken known to have been created by a woman?

GAN[edit]

OK then, I'll make some notes (what's with all the barnyeard animals already?) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Singular and plural together in same sentence - As of 2008, they are an extremely rare bird, - need to fix as singular 'breed' or somesuch. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Is this fixed now? VanTucky 04:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
(sorry, busy off-keybaord) Buckeyes are the only breed of American chicken known to have been created by a woman, as well as being the only pea combed breed. - would be nice to not have two 'breed's in the same sentence if possible - also, what is pea combed?
Duplication fixed. Also tried to disambig pea combed a little on the page, but that info will be a part of the major rewrite of Comb (anatomy) I am planning now that I got it moved. VanTucky 04:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I hope I am adding to this discussion in the correct format. (I think this is my second time trying to add to a discussion, so I may be doing it all wrong.) The Buckeye is not the only chicken in the American class to have a pea comb--there is also the Chantecler. Many other chickens (in other APA classes) have pea combs, including the Ameraucana, the Araucana and most Easter Eggers (as the gene for the pea comb [P] is located on the same chromosome as gene for the blue egg [OO], and they are closely linked). It might be more interesting to note that it is one of only a few breeds of brown egg laying chickens to also carry the pea comb (the Brahma does, and I believe the Shamo may as well--there are a few). The fact that the Buckeye is in the American class doesn't really have much to do with the type of comb it has. Generally speaking, the classification of poultry is indicative of where the breeds originated, and because they may share common ancestry, they do tend to have some things in common. For instance, Mediterranean breeds are usually smaller bodied, have large combs, lay white eggs and do well in heat. However, even some breeds may have different combs in their standards depending upon color (the Dorking, for example, in the English class). Comb type is not particularly indicative of class, though.Llysse (talk) 13:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
utilitarian - odd usage of the word here. I keep thinking of this word as per ideology - would 'versatile' be better?
Versatile isn't quite the same meaning. Utilitarian means just that, it's a practical meat & eggs breed rather than primarily a show bird bred for appearance. VanTucky 04:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
their color is said to ideally resemble.. - should that be 'their ideal color is said to resemble..'
Sounds fine to me. VanTucky 04:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd probably have the colour closer up the top of the lead too.
I'd link 'game fowl' to something.
Game fowl is a term that implies hunted birds such as pheasants and partridge, not domestic fowl. A Gamecock or game chicken breeds are those related at some point to cockfighting. I do link to gamecock now. VanTucky 04:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there any more information on how its popularity waxed and waned over time?
Not really. I can write a sentence or two more on it, but it's never really been that popular. It's just not ever been as endangered as it was today. VanTucky 04:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmm..conversely, if it was never used much, then it is interesting how it made it this far. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Any info on what the meat and/or eggs taste like?
No different than any other chickens. It is only in very, very rare cases that a breed's meat and eggs will taste different. Even the black meat of a Silkie tastes like regular chicken. All chicken eggs, even the blue or green shelled ones, taste the same across breeds. Some bantam exhibition breeds not kept for meat have a more gamy meat, but as no one really eats them, it's not worth mentioning much. VanTucky 04:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Overall, the article is a bit short and I am musing on what else could be added. I am just throwing it open for discussion on the GAN talk page. Looks good otherwise. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I know little of chickens, also, but my instinct is that this isn't GA since a first read left me wondering about other things. What is the distribution: did it only stay locally in Ohio or taken up by small farmers elsewhere? How did the breed get from Nettie Metcalf's backyard to a wider distribution in the first place? Did she sell breeding stock, or did someone else get on board? How is breeding stock sold now? Market in fertilised eggs or chicks to hobbyists? Do people buy the chooks and set up themselves, breeding their own? What desirable characteristics did the original cross-breeding stock have? Can we trace the characteristics to the parent breed? Is the distinctive colour from one breed, or a mix of genes? What leads to such colours? Are the characteristics dominant, or at risk of dilution? Are there similar breeds (or has no one else tried crossbreeding Rhode Island Reds and Buff Cochins, etc)? Are there any specific health conecerns of the buckeye: more susceptible to certain diseases? They seem to be cold-hardy: how would they cope in a warmer climate? Would egg laying differ? What's a decent laying ability? One a day? Are they good parents of fertilised eggs? Are they left to nest or are there breeders who raise chicks in incubators? Do they mature at the same rate as every other breed? What is the life span? Laying life: how many seasons of eggs can you expect from an adult hen? They're now endangered: what steps are being taken to save the breed? There are only five flocks now: were there ever very many? Have they always been a fringe breed (with a handfull of flocks) or were they a little more widespread? Are they marketed, to encourage hobbyists to buy them and therefore increase the number of flocks? And that's just after one read of the article; I could probably think of others. Perhaps these points have already been considered and rejected. Anyway, I'll leave those thoughts with you, Casliber. Feel free to copy to the talk page if you feel this would be useful there. Gwinva (talk) 20:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Gwinva posted the above on the GAN talk page - I guess it boils down to how much of a stand-alone article any particular article is. I think it'd be good to add your point about egg and meat taste and anything else which may have seemed to obvious on first read through. I thikn most readers will know zip about domestic chicken breeds. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, my feeling is that 99% of those questions are general chicken questions, not breed-specific ones. It highlights the need for me to work on Chicken, but most of that is far from appropriate for this article in my opinion. Other than that, some of those questions, such as exactly how it spread around after Netcalf created it, are quite simply not answered in the source material. Recognition by the APA is big deal in terms of encouraging the keeping of it by enthusiasts, so I can mention that even if it's really a general poultry fact. VanTucky 20:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, all sorts of crap is happening off-keyboard. Yes, please mention the APA recognition and I'll call it done, with a promise from you to develop chicken and maybe some links from this later (I will try to help - my gut feeling is turning chicken into a Featured Article will make Domestic Sheep look easy somehow...). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
APA mentioned. VanTucky Vote in my weird poll! 19:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, done. I still think a taxobox would be a really good thing to add. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

B-class[edit]

I'm going to argue the point of this article being rated B-class. It's definitely not a stub but much closer to start class by WP:OH standards. §hep¡Talk to me! 03:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't particularly care, considering it's on the way to GA right now. VanTucky 04:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

Have you thought about including a {{taxobox}}? §hep¡Talk to me! 18:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I would love one, but taxoboxes are strictly for separate species. This is just a breed of the chicken, and there isn't a breed template for chickens (and I'm unsure of making one yet). VanTucky 18:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Right - breeds of things should have them methinks - Beagle does (for dogs), Persian (cat) does for cats (now there's an article needing a workover!), none of the potato cultivars do, but the Grevillea cultivars, such as Grevillea 'Peaches and Cream' do. Appaloosa does....so I think all the chicken breeds should have them too. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
PS: Gosh, Hereford (cattle) doesn't have one either....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying a chicken infobox at: User:Stepshep/Sandbox/1; but I don't know about poultry clubs or how they standardize things. If anyone could help that section out it'd be appreciated. Thanks. §hep¡Talk to me! 19:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks promising. There may be some specific parameters worth putting in, such as parentage. Beagle may be a good starting point. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I've noted some of the important traits included in breed standards and sources that should be added to the template on Shep's talk. VanTucky Vote in my weird poll! 22:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Chickenbreed Infobox[edit]

A new infobox {{Infobox Chickenbreed}} has been created for chicken articles. If you see anywhere it needs improved please contact User:Stepshep. If it meets your criteria it is requested you add it to this article's page for standardization. Thanks! §hep¡Talk to me! 17:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Buckeye males are agressive[edit]

I would like to add to the Wikipedia page on Buckeye Chickens that the males are very agressive. They are best as a caged bird. I own 2 hens--very docile, & one rooster--very aggressive. The females will follow me, and sometimes the other animals, around the yard. But so will the rooster, and he'll attack me as well as the other animals. The male frequently "bosses" the hens also. They are a heavy bird & therefore I would recommend that the male be strictly a cooped bird. I learned this the hard way. I can now see why this bird is in critical state. Julie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgunn03 (talkcontribs) 14:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

The article already says "Generally calm, the cock may become aggressive." Steven Walling (talk) 19:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I would like to add that as a general rule, Buckeye cock birds are NOT aggressive, and such an aggressive bird would be an anomaly (and should be culled, frankly.) Mizgreenjeans (talk) 13:42, 12 October 2009 (UTC)