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I think it is important to stress that Rastafarian thought is quite distinct from Ethiopian nationalism. Ethiopian nationalism stresses the particularities of Ethiopian culture/history, negating the African heritage and influence. Ethiopian nationalism is, in essence, inherently contradictory to pan-Africanism or Black nationalism. --Soman (talk) 11:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Rastafarian thought is connected with Ethiopian nationalism - it views Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie as having been the reincarnation of Jesus and Rastafarians use Ethiopian national symbols - including the Ethiopian flag and the Lion of Judah. Where is your evidence that Ethiopian nationalism is universally contradictory to pan-Africanism or Black nationalism? Here is a source on Rastafari culture and Ethiopia: "Rastafarians believe that Ethiopia is the Promised Land and that it is Heaven on Earth"[1]. And here is another article for prominent Black nationalist and pan-Africanist leader Marcus Garvey who regarded Ethiopian monarchs as "black man's God" and the "Messiah returned".[2]. Plus, pan-African colours used by many African states are green, yellow, and red in homage to Ethiopia. Certainly not all black nationalists agree with Ethiopianism and Rastafarianism - especially not Nation of Islam supporters due to Ethiopianism's and Rastafarianism's implicit advocacy of Christianity. But the issue here is about Ethiopianism and Rastafarianism in relation to Ethiopian nationalism.--R-41 (talk) 17:34, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
I will try to add sources for rewriting the lede. However, what you describe is the Rastafarian fascination with Ethiopia. This is a one-way street, Ethiopian nationalists don't consider themselves as sharing a community with the Rastafarians. On the contrary, Ethiopian nationalist narrative stresses Amharic culture, Orthodox Christianity and the uniqueness of Ethiopian statehood. All these three points stresses difference towards rest of sub-Saharan Africa. Notably, Haile Selassie I himself was not entirely comfortable with stressing the anti-Italian resistance as a pillar of nationalist discourse, as he was in power-struggle with many of the prominent resistance figures. --Soman (talk) 20:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
That is a reasonable critique. This was a very conventional encyclopedia that I used - it mentioned Ethiopianism and Rastafarianism - perhaps they should be mentioned briefly as having connection as a pro-Ethiopian cultural nationalism.--R-41 (talk) 02:28, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Amhara nationalism[edit]

Amhara nationalism redirects here, but the article does not explain the relationship between Amhara nationalism and Ethiopian nationalism, except to suggest that Amhara people played a part in promoting Ethiopian nationalism. This redirect is confusing in the context of 2019 Amhara Region coup d'état attempt, where "Amhara nationalist militias" are positioned against the government of Ethiopia. Duck type goose (talk) 13:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I think Amhara nationalism is worthy of its own article. Charles Essie (talk) 05:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Amhara nationalism should be its own article. Amhara nationalism is a form of (supremacist) ethnic nationalism while Ethiopian nationalism is contrary to that notion. Ethiopian nationalism on the other hand is multi-ethnic, inclusive, and rallies around the idea of pan-ethnic unity among Ethiopian citizens and their descendants, it is a form of civic nationalism. There is a big difference between the two one is ethnic nationalism while the other is pan-ethnic civic nationalism. Llakew18 (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Issue of Contributors Conflating Civic Nationalism with Ethnic Nationalism[edit]

Amhara Ethnic Nationalism of the Amhara people is completly different from Ethiopian Civic Nationalism. Ethnic nationalism and Civic nationalism are different things, Ethnic nationalism is based on ethnic superiority while Civic nationalism is based on shared values of a community that includes several different ethnicities.

I don't know if this is the right place to report editors that make such claims that Amhara Ethnic Nationalism and Ethiopian Multi-ethnic Civic Nationalism are one and the same, but here is one contributor named User:MfactDr who has been persistent in these claims.

I have tirelessly tried to reason with User:MfactDr, I have even gone to the talk page to try to understand or even communicate with people and there still aren't any responses to the issues I have raised in thw talk page, all I see are back and forth deletion and recontribution. I have done my best to try to compromise with people even retaining some contributions that I find biased, but they arent replying back or giving any constructive criticism. I'm trying to Compromise by keeping both for the time being until this issue gets straightened out. WelcomeToAmerica talk) 06:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC) WelcomeToAmerica (talk) 16:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism and Deletion of the History Section[edit]

I've been editing lately without an account but I just recently created one because I have to call out some of the incorrect things I've seen here. Someone keeps deleting information about what other ethnic groups have done in building up the evolution of the Ethiopian state, all sources have been cited but someone is deleting them with no comment as to why. I feel like the person deleting the information is most likely biased against the topic of Ethiopian nationalism to the extent of derailing the topic and misconstruing its positions as seen by their selective deletion of the parts the Yejju and Wollo clans of the Oromo people, as well as the Tigrayans, and Agaw played in the course of Ethiopian history and Ethiopian nationalism painting Ethiopia as a solely Amhara state or at the very least making it out to look like that only Amharas were the ethnic group that played a role in the development of Ethiopia completely ignoring other ethnic group's input. See comparison: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethiopian_nationalism&type=revision&diff=990204589&oldid=990171499 . These issues are not only found in this Wikipedia article, but also seen throughout the internet with people with motives other than contributing the factual history, people have even started disinformation campaigns on Ethiopian history and politics, systematically trying to erase the role of other ethnic groups in Ethiopian history making it look like Ethiopia is an Amhara-only country with no historical leaders of other ethnicities, when in fact there were. This can be seen in the edits of other contributors and their deletion of large portions of the history section; compare the current iteration of this article with the previous one at the upcoming link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethiopian_nationalism&oldid=990171499#cite_note-11 . JohnStewart256 (talk) 15:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I reverted because multiple users are trying to add (essentially) the same content: example. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:29, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Gyrofrog (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) The user by the username of User:Gyrofrog has repeatedly been instigating an edit war by deleting information and sources from the history section of the Ethiopian nationalism Wikipedia article specifically on parts of the section that pertain to the role the Wello and Yejju clans of the Oromo people, as well as the role Tigrayans, Sidama, Agaw, and other ethnic groups of Ethiopia throughout history have played in the nation building and the building of civic nationalism in Ethiopia. This user has repeatedly reverted edits of those who have tried to add back the deleted text and sources. The wordings used and selective deletions that the user has done leads me to believe that User:Gyrofrog is trying to paint Ethiopian nationalism as only applying to one ethnic group, the Amhara people, and seems like they are insinuating that only Amharas have played a role in the nation building of Ethiopia completely ignoring the impact other ethnic groups have had. I would like to repeat what I have already said before in Talk:Ethiopian nationalism in the "Vandalism and Deletion of the History Section", that the user is pushing a viewpoint that can be seen as systematically trying to erase the role of other ethnic groups in Ethiopian history making it look like Ethiopia is a country only lead by ethnic Amharas with no historical leaders from other ethnicities, when in fact there were several others from different that were in high places of authority. Selectively deleting several key points of Ethiopian history and the development of Ethiopian Civic Nationalisms making it seem like it only applies to ethnic Amharas. This is a key tell-tale sign that this user may not be here to put forth constructive contributions but may be pushing an agenda that is keenly identical to that of the positions held by the Tigray People's Liberation Front that opposes Ethiopian nationalism and Civic nationalism and promotes ethnic federalism and ethnic nationalism in its place [1]. The user maybe trying to derail and sabotage the topic by deleting several key elements and history from the article. I can explain more if you need more information. This is my second timer reporting this user to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism and my requests are being ignored with no explanation. JohnStewart256 (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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Amhara nationalism and Ethiopian nationalism are different.[edit]

Stop mixing up Ethiopia with Amhara ethnicity. Ethiopian nationalism is the national (multi-ethnic) identity of the Ethiopian people. Amharas are only 1 ethnic group, Amhara nationalism redirects here for some twisted reason, and someone is replacing Ethiopia with Amhara on this article. Someone keeps calling the pre-EPRDF Ethiopian flag without State Symbol the Amhara flag when it is the traditional Ethiopian Flag used by all ethnic groups, and the Amhara flag looks nothing like the the Ethiopian flag. The Traditional Ethiopian Flag is Green, Yellow, and Red while the Amhara flag is Yellow, Red Yellow. 2601:14D:8581:2C70:7D2D:AE3E:71A:6224 (talk) 21:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)