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New start[edit]

I believe I have completed a good division of the subject in heads; there is now a structure to help us cover every period of Quebec's history. The equivalent article on the French wiki (fr:Histoire du Québec) has a corresponding heading structure. As much as possible, we should try to keep both sides in sync. -- Mathieugp 14:01, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You're kidding. This is overkill for a new article. At best I would expect to fill in the major subheads. --Dhartung | Talk 18:22, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It is not a new article. The history page will reveal that after a hot edit war, people stopped editing the article and the Timeline of Quebec history was started instead. The timeline has been in good shape for a while, so now we are trying to get back to collaboratively editing the History of Quebec. Of course it looks pretty empty right now! :-) -- Mathieugp 20:19, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yeah I was thinking as I was writing part of this...isn't it a bit too much like a timeline? The stuff I added I will try to format into complete sentences and paragraphs later on so it's more encylopedic and less note like. Bremen 16:11, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey I just updated some of the History of Quebec page. what do you think?

Ice Hockey/New England[edit]

It seems to me that the invention of ice hockey could be mentioned. And certainly the Montreal Canadiens NHL team, also known as Les Habs. As a hockey player myself I know this is not a small thing, and would support the article tremendously. And, as a New Englander, I know that Quebec has a big interest in this area, including Woonsocket RI, many cities in MA, and most parts of NH and ME including Portsmouth and Lewiston. After having been to Montreal, I noticed a definite difference in the feeling of Quebec's influence when comparing New York City and New England. There are very many Quebecois and Quebecois business interests in New England. As the US is an important trading partner with Canada, and as the cultural differences between Canada and the US are ever more important, and are increasingly featured in mainstream media vis SNL, Conan O'Brien, and in similar Canadian media like Kids In The Hall, 22 Minutes and I don't know what else, 'New England as Quebec's Important Neighbor' might be an appropriate presence in the article somewhere down the line. McDogm--McDogm 06:56, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Entertainment perhaps?[edit]

It seems like the whole article's about Quebec's exploration and its politics. Should we include something like '67 Expo or '76 Olympics? WB 06:33, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Maybe these would better fit in the History of Montreal article? These were important events, but they pertain more to the social and cultural history of Montreal and Quebec. It's only a question of scope. In the Talk page of the French History of Quebec article ([1]), I proposed various article names for more specific aspects of Quebec history. The same could be done in English:

National history[edit]

Regional and municipal history[edit]

-- Mathieugp 17:37, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking of doing something on L'Anse Amour for the archaic period, does anyone know if there were similar sites in Quebec --Lastexpofan 07:18, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

More recent political history ??[edit]

I'm not sure how to merge it in, but I was thinking of writing more about:

  1. The laws passed in the 1970's for the protection for the French language, and speakers of the french language, and their effect on both sides.
  1. Many wealthy people from Quebec aquiring second homes (and safe deposit boxes) in the American Villages right across the border from Montreal. Many large companies moved executive offices out of Montreal.
  1. Just before the vote that defeated the separatists in 1980, the very visible moving of the gold reserves from Montreal to Ottowa (commentators thought that the convoy of armored vehicles impressed on the Quebec residents what being a separate country would really mean). Morris 14:01, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
I think the recent history, in all aspects, will have to be covered eventually. However, dealing with recent political history is sure to undermine our efforts to collaborate. Not that what you want to add is not interesting, but it will reopen the subject that is most likely to bring back edit wars to this article. As I suggested above, I think this article should give us the great lines of the general history of Quebec, and for the other types of history, we can start other articles such as Political history of Quebec, Social history of Quebec etc. What do you think? -- Mathieugp 14:42, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Congrats[edit]

Congratulations for all of us who have participated during this article's COTW period. We had about 100 edits during the period! I hope we can all contribute to this article even after the COTW. Congrats! WB 00:00, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

I tried a few things on this article. It is one that is close to my heart because I visited Quebec when I was in my teens. Beautiful place. Coming from Alberta I wasn't sure what to expect but I had a good time. The people were very very nice to me. So I would like to help. Give me some suggestions on what to improve. Bremen 06:50, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Detailed dates of Quebec's political transformations[edit]

I would like to see the detailed dates in the Summary of Quebec's political transformations, but I'm not sure if this level of detail is too great to be added in the encyclopedia. I'd apreciate if someone could review my proposal. I'm not an historian. I've tried to keep the format consistent with the current one, but some of my data actually diverts from the current content.

  • 24 June 1534[1] - 7 September 1760: New-France, a French colony. The current content claims New France started in 1608.
  • 8 September 1760[2] - 9 February 1763: New-France, a French colony. The territory is under British military rule. As the Seven Years' War continues, New France is divided in three districts: Quebec City, Trois-Rivieres and Montreal. The current content has no data for this period.
  • 10 February 1763[3] - 6 October 1763: a British colony. The Treaty of Paris (1763) officially cedes New France to Great Britain. Pending the British Royal Proclamation of 1763, the territory remains divided in three districts: Quebec City, Trois-Rivieres and Montreal.
  • 7 October 1763[4] - 25 December 1791: Quebec, a British colony. The three districts are merged into the Province of Quebec.
  • 26 December 1791[5] - 9 February 1841: Lower Canada, a British colony.
  • 10 February 1841[6] - 30 June 1867: Canada, a British colony. The Act of Union (1840) defines the Province of Canada.
  • 1 July 1867[7][8] - 16 April 1982: Quebec, Dominion of Canada. The word dominion was used until the 1950's. As Canada increasingly acquired political autonomy from Britain, the federal government increasingly simply used Canada on state documents.[9] The current content does not mention the word dominion.
  • 17 April 1982[10] - present: Quebec, Canada. The Canada Act 1982 only refers to Canada.[11]

Sources:

Multi j 23:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I realize that this was over two years ago, but nevertheless. The idea of detailing is good in itself. However, the first problem is that some references are Wikipedia, which is not recommended. Second, there are errors.
  1. First, Great Britain conquered Canada and all its dependencies, as per the 1763 Treaty of Paris, not New France as a whole. New France was dismantled as a consequence of the conquest of Canada. Parts of it went to Great Britain, other parts to Spain, and France only kept the Saint-Pierre et Miquelon Islands.
  2. Second, the territory of New France is not divided into three districts under British rule. The British military rulers only assumed the pre-existing administrative divisions. Under French rule, the three districts of Canada are already there. Nothing changes, not even the borders.
  3. There is no merger of the Quebec, Trois-Rivieres and Montreal districts following the British Royal Proclamation of 1763, only the drawing of borders.
  4. If we are going to detail the transformations, we need to mention the Special Council of Lower Canada as a regime too, before the forced legislative Union.

-- Mathieugp (talk) 23:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

New Template[edit]

I've been working on a new template for the Histories of the Provinces. See here:

Do you think we need it? And is this the right format for it? Thanks. Kevlar67 02:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No mention of "feelings" of Quebec During French Revolution[edit]

No mention of any actions, of Qubecquis during French Reolution?Knowing Quebec was under British rule at time. Wondeing if there were Independence movements/ actions at the time of French Reolution? Thanks!(DatedMorn,AMThurs.Aug27,2009@1qstcentbyDr.EdsonAndre'JohnsonDDULC>"X")ANDREMOI (talk) 15:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The most visible actions were those involving Montreal-born Henry-Antoine Mézière and the French ambassador to the USA Edmond-Charles Genêt. One guy (I forget his name and I am not sure if he was a French or a Quebecer, Basset I think) submitted a memoir to the French government to reconquer Quebec. In terms of military actions, there was not much beyond conspiracy.
You can read about this and more in La Révolution française au Canada français. -- Mathieugp (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Need references[edit]

This article has recently appeared on the list of large articles lacking references - this is not good. Not sure what has been added recently (looks like alot) - Is it possible to get refs for all this new/copied stuff. I will try over the next week to find refs and in the process delete any info I cant reference.Moxy (talk) 23:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Will try. It was put together as a series of tables, basically bullet-point format. I copy edited it into prose, then expanded with material translate from French Wikipedia. Unfortunately, they don't use in-line citations, so I'll have to track down sources for info. Shouldn't be impossible though.OttawaAC (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good to me ..good job. I will see what I can find.Moxy (talk) 22:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)