Talk:Music City Miracle
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Lateral or not?
- I think if it took place right in front of you, it looked about exactly lateral (sideways) or slightly backward, albeit very, very close. The replay showed that the pass certainly was not clearly forward, which is what it would have to have been to have overturned the original call made on the field.
Rlquall 13:03, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I saw the play about 1,000 times and I think there is a very clear possibility that the ball went forward. (Full disclosure, I am a Buffalo fan:) If you look at the ball when Wycheck throws it, the front of the ball is flush with the back of the yard line. When Dyson catches it, the back of the ball is flush with the front of the yard line. It's not 100% clear, but I don't think anyone can count out the possibility of the ball going forward. Bill shannon 20:52, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
- In order to REVERSE a call there must be indisputable evidence against the ruling on the field. Since the was not any, the ruling on the field stands.
- The NFL's policy regarding backwards passes and "any pass parallel to the line of scrimmage" seems erroneous to me. Nothing is absolutely parallel on an imperfect football field. There is no "exactly lateral", as another person suggested; it’s either forward or backward (anything close should default to inconclusive in replay and should be a judgement call on the field at the time). As per NFL rule, the ruling had to stand because the call on the field was no penalty for illegal forward pass and a touchdown. The refs felt it was close enough to be inconclusive, thus the call. Though I’m from Buffalo, I completely accept the decision by the refs and the NFL in general considering the circumstances. The correct call was made.
- Though not a Buffalo fan, I was in this game. It was a lateral. If you look at one of the replays, a line judge is standing right down the alley on the sidelines and signals it a lateral immediately. It was so close on video that there was no indisputable evidence to overturn it.
This was absolutely 100% a forward pass, no doubt about it, it wasn't even close to a lateral. Frank Wycheck is behind the 25 yard line but Kevin Dyson is in front of the 25 yard line. It was INDISPUTABLY a forward pass. The referee was the same referee(Phil Luckett) who "misinterpreted" Jerome Bettis on a coin toss. A coin toss! Are you kidding me? There where several other bad calls, like how do you get a defensive holding on a field goal? He is well known for sucking but is still an official? He's probably the Donaghue of the NFL. This fair and balanced stuff on wikipedia has got to stop.
The pass is so close to a lateral that, unless the camera was exactly on the yard-line, replay was pointless. When Wycheck releases the ball, he is holding it about 7 feet in the air. When Dyson catches it, it is about 1 foot from the ground. From an angle, an object higher in the air will look further from the line than an object lower or actually sitting on the line. For instance, if a player on the field stood on the line perfectly still, from an angle you could see that his feet are on the line, but his head would appear to be over the line. That is why, when the ball was sailing through the air, descending the entire time, it appears to get closer to the line. What does all this mean? Even if the ball were thrown parallel to the line, it would appear to go backward from that camera angle. Ultimately, it's too close to call, and the referees got it right by upholding the call made on the field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
They actually took the video and put it on a computer and had the computer verify that it was indeed a lateral. The video is slightly confusing because of the positions of the players. But the ball is thrown from IN FRONT of the hash mark and is caught BEHIND IT, thus it is a (barely) lateral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TyVulpine (talk • contribs) 23:40, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Effect on the Bills
A sentence in this section stated that the Bills fired head coach Wade Phillips a few months later. In fact, he returned for the following season. I changed the sentence in question, but maybe the whole thing should be deleted. Anson2995 15:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually the Bills special teams coach, Bruce DeHaven was fired in the off season. The official reason was never made public but unsourced leaks said it was directly attributed to this play. Source: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6908433 operator0 23:38, 20 November 2006
Does anybody have the play-by-play by ABC on this?--BigMac1212 22:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JIpHqPIorU&mode=related&search= Dlong 00:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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YouTube has removed the video "at the request of copyright owner National Football League because its content was used without permission".Mustang6172 18:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
In the second paragraph under "Game Details" it states that Derrick Mason returned the kick after the safety. The last paragraph however says Mason was injured and did not play in the game.
I don't know how it really took place, but there's a little conflict here.
Maef 20:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)