Talk:Nheengatu

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Mind-boggling[edit]

The article says

Nheengatu originated in northern Brazil in the 17th century as a lingua franca standardized by Jesuits from the vocabulary and pronunciation of the tupinambá dialect, which were adapted into a grammatical framework based on Portuguese.

and later says,

According to some sources, Nheengatu and Guarani are mutually intelligible.

and in the article Guaraní language it says,

The Guaraní language, together with its near-identical sisters, the língua geral paulista (presently extinct) and the língua geral amazônica (whose modern descendant is Nheengatu), was once as prevalent in Brazil as it still is in Paraguay.

I am unfamiliar with the facts of the matter. Could somebody please explain how a language having a "a grammatical framework based on Portuguese" be a "near-identical sister to"' and "mutually intelligible" with a native American language? (the vocabulary part I understand of course)O'RyanW ( ) 20:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, nheengatu, as welll as guarani are tupian languages. the former only has got some influence from portuguese and castillian, but it is really close to guarani and old tupiSmertios 19:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Inherent strength?[edit]

The article uses the phrase "the language's inherent strength", which I find either mistaken or unproductively and uselessly metaphorical. Can't something else work instead to convey the same thing? 24.200.59.201 (talk) 03:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

False allegation of repression[edit]

I removed the following paragraph from the text as it is essentially false:

The very survival of Nheengatu, even in a much diminished state, is surprising, since it suffered centuries of repression, and also because the people of the Upper Rio Negro originally spoke languages not related to it.

Even today, the presence of the state on the whole Amazon region is very weak, not being able to provide an infrastructure in health and education that covers all that vast territory. How then could it be that those speaking nheengatu would suffer "centuries of repression"?? The forces in movement that produced the decline of nheengatu were of other nature, the most important being their contact with large amounts of Portuguese speaking settlers arriving from Portugal and from the other regions of Brazil (specially during the rubber boom), and their need to learn Portuguese in order to be able to trade with them. capmo (talk) 23:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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