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The first vowel in Āsana[edit]

Hi, I see you are changing the IPA for many Āsana articles so that the first vowel becomes a front "a" instead of a back "ɑ".

I just wanted to check this isn't because Americans use front and Brits use back, as I think possible? We Brits do I think use the back vowel for Āsana, in which case all the IPAs were either correct if British English was in use, or inconsistent ... if that's what's happening, I see no reason to Americanise these articles (and if anything, they should be Indianised, whatever that might imply; if all these are different, perhaps the IPA would be best avoided altogether). What's your view on the matter? Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Right now I'm conforming all Sanskrit IPA transcriptions that link to Help:IPA/Sanskrit to conform to what's at that chart. If you feel like [ɑː] is better than [aː], the best choice of action would be to discuss the matter at Help talk:IPA/Sanskrit.
If we're talking about the pronunciation of these words in English, we would want to use {{IPAc-en}}, which is pretty dialect neutral, though the use of /ɑː/ vs /æ/ is one of the dialectal differences that we'd need to either provide two transcriptions for or have a really good reason to pick one or the other. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 17:24, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
I think I understand what you're saying, but I can't see from Help:IPA/Sanskrit who might be pronouncing the Sanskrit, 2000-year-old priests being in short supply. If you're confident that it's dialect-neutral, that's clearly best. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:22, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, if we're talking about Sanskrit pronunciations, then it's only dialect neutral in that it's not English. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 01:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

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Accidental Rollback[edit]

Thanks for catching that accidental rollback. Wikipedia is a pain in the ass on mobile, unfortunately. :bloodofox: (talk) 16:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

No worries. :D — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 17:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

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Citations[edit]

Thanks for continually fixing my citations! You're awesome :)

Sammobee (talk) 21:46, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely! :) — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 00:33, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

IPA redirects[edit]

My main motive for changing the redirects is that cross-namespace redirects are discouraged. Plus, those help pages are merely guides on what each symbol in our language-specific IPA notations means that reflect consensus more than reliable sources and don't receive the same scrutiny as the articles. And I see no incoming link to those redirects except from a few old talk pages, so I don't know what you mean by "given what links to these". (I'm also a bit confounded by the fact you reverted the "IPA chart for [language]" redirects and not the "IPA for [language]" ones. Maybe they're just the ones that were on your watchlist?) Nardog (talk) 04:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

The ones I reverted were those on my watch page. I didn't dive into your contribs to do additional reverts on the off chance that you'd convince me. I think you have. People looking for the actual IPA charts should be able to find them with the hatnotes at the top of phonology pages. I'll self revert. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 16:18, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Your revert at Help:IPA/Polish[edit]

Can you give a reason for this revert? In general, I think it is polite to at least give a hint of one's rationale in the edit summary when reverting another editor's contributions.  --Lambiam 05:58, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I thought the rationale would be pretty clear, given that the preceding edit was a request that editors discuss including additional sounds before adding them. If you'd like to include palatalized labials, please discuss it in the talk page first. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 12:58, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Help:IPA/Macedonian[edit]

A user recently created Help:IPA/Macedonian. Do you think this was necessary? If so, you may want to clean up it and Help:IPA/Bulgarian and Macedonian (that is, of course, if you're up for it). Nardog (talk) 15:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

It seems like it's warranted, since there are over 160 articles using the IPA-mk template. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 16:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't see how the transclusion count of IPA-mk has any bearing on whether we should have separate guides because the template already linked to Help:IPA/Bulgarian and Macedonian, not Help:IPA, and e.g. IPA-hi being used in a couple hundred articles doesn't warrant a split of the Hindustani guide. But we do have separate phonology articles for Bulgarian and Macedonian after all, so I just completed the split. Nardog (talk) 00:31, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


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Recent edits to Merchant and other articles reveals an inconsistent pattern of editing[edit]

You can cry “nonsensical justification” as much as you like. However, the reality is that WP maintains a record of all edits which can be checked for their appropriateness and context. Your recent edit to the article, Merchant here replaced phrases such as “term that describes”(or similar) with “refers to”. This is a matter of record. In support of this edit, you quoted the policy/guideline, WP:ISAWORDFOR which states that dictionary-style introductory sentences, in the form of "X ‘’’is a term’’’ for blah, blah, blah,” and “X ‘’’refers to’’’ blah, blah, blah “ [Emphasis added]. Further, the policy suggests that editors should replace "is a term for", "is a word that means", "refers to" with the more direct "is" construction. This is also a matter of record. In the case of the article Merchant you replaced one phrase which the policy suggests should be avoided (“term that describes”, or variant) with a different phrase that the policy equally suggests should be avoided (“refers to”). A quick glance at your recent editing history shows that you have repeatedly replaced the phrase “refers to” as you did

However, in other articles you have taken the phrase “term used to describe” (or similar) and replaced it with “refers to” as you did here

This inconsistent pattern of editing defies comprehension and is entirely at odds with the current policy. The policy in relation to "refers to" applies to introductory passages, not to entire articles. In spite of that, the phrase “refers to” has now become so controversial, there is a veritable army of editors out there on a ‘search and destroy’ mission replacing “refers to” wherever they find it. Some of these editors are in such haste to remove and replace the ‘offending phrase’ that they have leave grammatical and logical errors in their wake. In your haste to change the prose, you have left an error

In the case of the Merchant article, your edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merchant&type=revision&diff=900122117&oldid=900048582 replaced “described” with “referred to” in the section entitled “In Art”. The section, which was not an introductory passage, discussed the way that changes in the socio-economic external environment led to new terms being coined to describe different types of merchants. In this context, there was no attempt to turn the article into a dictionary-like entry; rather it showed how language needs to change to keep pace with social developments. Either the original passage or your changes would have been perfectly acceptable. However, WP editors generally are much more vehemently opposed to the use of “refers to” anywhere in the article, so it just a matter of time before your changes will be reverted by a pedant.

I also note that you have gone into my edit history and made a number of reversions to my recent edits. This type of activity could be construed as WP:HOUNDING or stalking. Whatever you want to call it, it is clearly activity designed to alienate good faith editors in order to serve some personal agenda. There is already far too much of this type of hounding, which is a form of abuse, taking place on Wikipedia.

My prior experience as a past editor suggests that once an editor, such as yourself, has been challenged, the challenger inevitably becomes a victim, and there is no end to the number of punitive edits that must be imposed.A few years ago, I quit editing altogether after being hounded for more than half a year by a couple of bullies, who were content to revert entire articles (save for an intro or a conclusion) amongst other things. I see this pattern emerging here and obviously, I will be forced to quit once more. It’s a shame because I had planned a total overhaul of an article that had been tagged with “essay-like” and was ready to upload the rather substantial and well-researched amendments later this week. I also had a new article on a 19th century female calligrapher prepared and was ready to upload it to the main space in the next week or so. Now that I know you are gunning for me, clearly, I will not be able to undertake these improvements at any time in the near future.

While, no doubt, you will feel the need to respond with more disingenuous claims of “nonsensical” reversions and more punitive edits, however, please understand that I have made the decision to quit for the time being and will not be monitoring my talk page or edits after today. So, you can have the satisfaction of knowing that you have driven yet another editor off Wikipedia. Go ahead and revert away, but please consider your own advice and only revert when absolutely necessary. Thank-you. 175.32.56.121 (talk) 02:01, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the time and consideration in explaining your thought process behind the revert. I see what you mean in that, replacing describes with refers to is more in keeping with my understanding of the differences between these words (describes is more accurate with adjectives, refers to is more appropriate for everything else) less than the general point of WP:ISAWORDFOR, which is more about avoiding referring to things as terms. Thus, refers to should still be avoided inasmuch as we avoid talking about things as terms, but when we can't avoid discussing things as terms (as is the case with Merchant), refers to is the better choice.
I tend to link to this policy page in the edit summary when phrasing like "term used to describe" attracts me to an article, as it most closely articulates my concerns in targeting this kind of language, though I can see how it might have been confusing because there were a number of other edits beyond this, only some of which were in keeping with this policy (namely, changing the meerseniers which referred to local merchants including bakers, grocers, sellers of dairy products and stall-holders, and the koopman, which described a new, emergent class to the meerseniers which were local merchants including bakers, grocers, sellers of dairy products and stall-holders, and the koopman, which were a new, emergent class). I do this even when I am changing language outside of the lede and have found it efficiently clarifies my intentions in the limited space of an edit summary, even if the policy imperfectly encapsulates what I am doing.
I am not sure what error you see in this edit at Hipster (contemporary subculture), the only mistakes I see are in the edit summary, where there is a typographical error, and I should have probably linked to WP:NOTDIC instead. A better example of a mistake I made due to "haste" is in the Merchant article itself, which I have fixed.
As for your accusation of hounding, the irony is quite rich coming from such a methodical and antagonistic comb-through of my recent edits. I have made zero reversions of your edits outside of the Merchant article. In two instances, I made edits that piggy-backed on your own; in one instance, I cleaned up the language without removing the content and in the other, I restored unproblematic content lost from a blanket revert.
With such a battlefield mentality, it's no wonder you have become frustrated and disillusioned with Wikipedia. You perceive slights where there are none and find enemies among people who are nothing of the sort. If this is how you normally interact in talk pages, then it's probably for the best that you stay away from the project. Regards. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 03:06, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Creole edit thanks[edit]

Thanks for the "thank you" for my brief edit on Creole. I just noticed that you're a grad of USM, and thought I'd say hi and thanks for your many contributions to wikipedia. I was attending Gulf Park for the past 2 years, in the biology licensure program. SMTTT! Trumblej1986 (talk) 22:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

What a coincidence! — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 16:00, 10 June 2019 (UTC)