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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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Archived Discussions[edit]

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For you[edit]

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Flowerburrovisit-oh, hi!.jpg
Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:
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Hi, whiskers!.jpg
And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:
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Burro-hi, chin!.jpg
Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:
Hand of cheekadeefriendship (tummy rub).jpg
Hand of cheekadeefriendship (reward).jpg
El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).
Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Hand of cheekadeefaerie!(Zoom).jpg

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Also skunky!.jpg

Oooo. Purdy![edit]

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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Seasons Greetings[edit]

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!
Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Groundhog Day[edit]

Happy day! Jehochman Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


I love you groundhog!.jpg
Chipleased to sniff you!.jpg

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

4Tality Fractal[edit]

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


And all I got was this... Whoa!

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And all I got was a ^^^[edit]

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

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Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! Face-smile.svg El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One aread where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have plus Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
February flowers
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Alte Liebe
Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's corner[edit]

Add some colour to the corner! El_C 08:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

To help me better remember! Face-smile.svg El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Face-smile.svg Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! Face-smile.svg It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. Face-smile.svg PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for your unwavering commitment to combat vandalism :) Bibnieuws (talk) 13:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Bibnieuws! I appreciate your acknowledgement very much. Best, El_C 15:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Attacks on editors[edit]

Please see the contribution of Biman1989 I have tried to reason with him but the attacks, wikilawyering are incessant. Appears to me as a ripe case of WP:TE under WP:ARBIPA. --⋙–DBigXray 06:43, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Some edits on my userpage need hiding. Another editor had already removed the vandalism. thanks in advance. --⋙–DBigXray 14:21, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 Done and done. El_C 14:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

North East Delhi riots[edit]

I see that you added protection to Talk:North East Delhi riots. Just as an FYI, Wikimedia received a number of inquiries via OTRS over the last couple days regarding this article, and I've urge them to contribute to the talk page. I think I received 13 more this morning, so a heads up when the protection expires there may be a lot of activity.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:39, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, Sphilbrick. I'll definitely do my best to keep an eye tommorow. Regards, El_C 14:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
El C, I hope you don't mind my chiming in below. I wonder if we need a heads up at ANI to get more eyes on this tomorrow. I understand why protection was needed but I hate it when talk pages are protected, so I'm mulling over alternatives. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Sphilbrick, not at all — have at it. The matter has already spilled over to ANI, in a way. Perhaps a note at AN would be better...? Right, no one likes protecting talk pages, but this appears to be a concerted effort, so I'm hard pressed to find alternatives to it. Hopefully, my advise is heeded, but there's a strong possibility that protection will need to be extended, by virtue of the sheer volume of disruption. El_C 15:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Just a comment, El C: I totally agreed with your imposition of semi-protection. I would have done the same, possibly for a longer period. The page was totally out of control, unusable as a talk page. If it explodes again after the protection expires, please don't hesitate to protect it again. -- MelanieN (talk) 12:01, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, MelanieN. Will do. Indeed, in hindsight, the one-day protection may have been too brief. At any event, we are all hands on deck today. El_C 12:06, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Talk:North East Delhi riots page protection related[edit]

Not all new users are violating WP, I tried to put my submisssions against whatever I felt was unfair, the living person policy is being unequally applied to project some and to hide some. Protecting the talk page,which is for discussion, so that all unregistered users can't put their arguments is very unfair. Thank you (talk) 14:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

FYI, the protection expires tomorrow, and if new editors are respectful, I predict the protection won't be needed. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
I protest. Banning all is unfair, even for an hour, hurts alot. thank you. (talk) 14:46, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
No, it's not unfair. It's unfortunate, but not unfair. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:48, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Now I can't put my submission there, this is unfair to me, I did nothing wrong. (talk) 14:52, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Please keep in mind that edit requests are not being handled by the employees but by volunteers. If you go to the talk page, don't look at the talk page itself which is not all that unusual, but at the recent archives, and you will see the we are being overwhelmed by requests, many of which are not very reasonable. If you are a reasonable person, it is unfortunate that your access is being temporarily restricted, but it is not reasonable to expect volunteers to have to deal with this. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
There is also nothing so urgent that cannot wait 24 hours to address. A cool down is helpful to everyone. 331dot (talk) 14:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
331dot, (talk page stalker) I agree. If someone has prepared an edit request, and is just waiting for tomorrow to post it, I guarantee that if you reread it, you could probably tighten it up, add an additional or better reference, and make it a better request over the next 24 hours. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Rightly said 331dot. If I'm not wrong, tomorrow is going to be a lot of edit warring and vandalism on this article. Need to keep an eye on this inevitable possibility. The Ultimate Let's Talk 15:04, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
I disagree, I did nothing wrong. It is not only about edit request, equal opportunity needs to given to all to put their submission on discussion page to improve the article. I feel it is unfair to block all new users47.31.131.227 (talk) 15:11, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Nobody said you did anything wrong. If you want to contribute, I've explained how. While I understand why you would like it to be the case that you could contribute without bothering to meet our guidelines, there aren't enough volunteers to handle this particular incident at this time. I've reached out to encourage others to help chip in. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:08, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
This is highly inappropriate accusation. I reject. Would you please explain which guideline? 2405:204:3323:9B54:9562:D60B:D18F:1E69 (talk) 09:48, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
As an aside, I see you have over 10 edits. if you had registered username and made the edits while logged in, you would be well on your way to becoming confirmed. It is free and easy. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:12, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

To remind you all, Wikipedia, a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit... (talk) 15:11, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

"The free encyclopedia anyone can edit" does not mean "anyone can edit it at any time in any manner they choose as they see fit". 331dot (talk) 15:14, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
The ban unfairly hit some new users, and benefits some old users even if they should not. (talk) 15:16, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
There is nothing that you need done that cannot possibly wait some hours. The way to not have to deal with this sort of thing is to become an experienced, general contributor, which everyone has equal opportunity to do. I'll now stop taking up El C's page. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I'd like to pick up on that point. I agree this restriction has impacted new contribute is more than all contributors, but not unfairly. More specifically, is exceedingly easy to become an "old" contributor. Registered username, and make 10 edits to different articles over the next 4 days. Not only will that qualify you to edit even when semi-protection is on, but if you make 10 good faith attempts at editing other articles, you will gain some experience in how best to contribute to the discussion. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
I do not want to get registered as an user, a purely personal choice. As I believe that not the user names, exprience but submissions should matter even if comes from an unregiestered user and associated benefits should never go against unregistered users. I feel this protectation unfairly affects even bonafide new users. (talk) 15:45, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
That is certainly your choice to make, but then you must accept the consequences of that choice, such as situations like this one with the riots article. 331dot (talk) 17:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
"associated benefits should never go against all unregistered users. I feel this protectation unfairly affects even bonafide new users." 2405:204:3323:9B54:9562:D60B:D18F:1E69 (talk) 09:48, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Madam/Sir with utmost respect I wrote here how I felt. I am not imputing bad motives behind the decision. But as a person affected by it, you must listen and know how have I felt. (talk) 16:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This is your only edit ever to Wikipedia. If you wrote somewhere how you felt I don't know where it is. I hope you will read the exchange above and see that many people are attempting to be responsive. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Talk pages are for discussions to improve an article. I have made edits to Wikipedia, earlier also, no need to tell its me who made that edit, no credits needed, for the sake of knowledge only, yes you guys are responses, yet I can't contribute to discussion on the protected talk page, feels very bad. (talk) 17:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Relate to Admin notice board reverts[edit]

In response to "it just shows how pissed off they are to see facts out on Wiki."

I wrote "Selectively facts are presented and missing from the artcle which voilates nuetral point of view and creates false impression." May I know why have this been reverted? Please respond. 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Because I don't want content disputes that pertain to the article in question to spillover to the admin noticeboard. El_C 12:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Nice, nor do I, but then "it just shows how pissed off they are to see facts out on Wiki." why does this is acceptable at the noticeboard? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talkcontribs)
Some leeway is given when the reference is to fringe content. El_C 12:18, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Nothing to do with finge content, but the "see facts out on Wiki" is not needed, which suggest that no problem with the fact selected and mission from the article. This is also not needed here. 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talk) 12:25, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
That was my read of the comment, at least. No, I'm not inclined to redact that from that section at this time. El_C 12:27, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
If you cared to remove my response to it soon, why not? 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talk) 12:32, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Because I disagree with you about the fringe content bit. El_C 12:34, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Oh dear, I am not defending the fringe content. I comment in response to a comment you removed it. Again write nothing to do with fringe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talkcontribs)
I was referring to the comment you wish to see removed, not to your own. El_C 12:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Not the comment but the part "see facts out on Wiki" why my comment in response to this part of comment was removed? 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talk) 12:48, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Because I don't want content disputes that pertain to the article in question to spillover to the admin noticeboard. El_C 12:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

If "facts out on Wiki" is permitted and a response to it should also be permitted, given it suggests no problem with facts selected and mission from the article. 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talk) 12:52, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Again, that facts out on Wiki comment refers to fringe content, so some leeway is given. El_C 12:53, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
No it does not refers to fringe content, rather it refers to the facts out in the article. 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talk) 12:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Look, this conversation has become circular. This is your recourse if you feel that strongly about it: convince any other admin to restore the comment (they do not need to consult me in any way whatsoever). El_C 12:58, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
You cared to remove my response, so came to you. This is unequal and unfair. Wish no one is treated unfairly. 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talk) 13:01, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry you feel this way, but I disagree. El_C 13:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Notice. This is now at Admin notice board. 2405:204:3318:B8D4:7065:6C8D:AD1B:E694 (talk) 13:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Understood. El_C 13:42, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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This seems much deserved. Guettarda (talk) 13:42, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Guettarda! Much appreciated. Always nice to see you. Face-smile.svg El_C 13:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


But I did not 'remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia', as your warning said. See User talk:Anachronist for what I did do. My reverts are more justified than his. (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you did — as is clear from this diff. El_C 14:44, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
That is misleading - the material it looks like I removed was specifically selected because it was redundant or otherwise unnecessary. That is not vandal/test page blanking and should not be treated as the same. (talk) 14:48, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough. But you should not be edit warring to restore your version. And you should better explain why you are removing sourced content. "Nothing to discuss, go away" is not an acceptable response. El_C 14:50, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Nabi Kudurri return.[edit]

Same sock returned 30 minutes after ban, with new IP account: Special:Contributions/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.User200 (talkcontribs)

I can't tell that that's a sock. Again, maybe ask at SPI. El_C 17:21, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to notify you that this user has directed a personal attack towards me [2], I noticed at his talk page that he was previously warned by another user of personal attacks as well[3]. Please take action as necessary. (talk) 17:36, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

That user has been indefinitely blocked since. Still, Mr.User200, let's take it down a notch. El_C 17:39, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
No I'm not talking about Nabi, Mr.User200 has personally attacked me, please see the diffs above. (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Ok, but no personal attack was made on Anon user Simply i am not his individual employee or paid editor. If he wants to make edits, he can make them by its own.Mr.User200 (talk) 17:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Hopefully, you two can sort out whatever it is that's being contested in a civil manner. Good luck. El_C 17:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Also he called one of my edits "pathetic wording" the same languague used by those banned editors. Maybe he es the same person. Just in case, have you used another account in Wikipedia??Mr.User200 (talk) 17:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Single-purpose account[edit]

I will kindly ask you to pay closer attention to this editing as it has gone unnoticed for far too long and I do not see it to be per Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia.

This is just some of the recent work: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]

+ resorting to sock puppets [16] (there is more to be found)

Cheers, Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 22:59, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Sadko: are you going to submit an SPI report? El_C 23:01, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
I am not good with that sort of reports (my partial lack of technical knowledge). Could I kindly ask you to do it (with pinging me in the report)? Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 23:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
@Sadko: I'm not sure I'd know what to put in that report as I lack the knowledge you have about the case. El_C 23:10, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
I understand, thank you for the feedback. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 23:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

I was speaking collectively for those of us upset with Connie Glynn for removing her videos.[edit]

I'm the only one using this specific IP address but if you look at her page's history you will see edits from several of us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:31, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, understood. El_C 23:32, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

User talk page[edit]

Thank you for blocking the IP: , but I think you need to revoke talk page access. Jerm (talk) 01:34, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 01:35, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Jerm (talk) 01:36, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Horizontal lines[edit]

Hello, El C! A simple inquiry, maybe it has been asked before -- if so forgive me -- but why do you use "-------" to separate your talk page comments? Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 05:06, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Just a handy device (that I try to use sparingly) to signify a break which falls short of needing a new subsection. Best, El_C 05:09, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
OK. It just always stood out to me, that's all. No worries. Nice to meet you!. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 05:11, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Nice to meet you, Bison X. Hmm, if that always stood out to you, then I must be using it less sparingly than intended. El_C 05:15, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


Allegations of anti-Semitism and racism came from co stars that worked with Hartnell like Nicholas Courtney and Anneke Wills - they're not smears. Nobody's saying he was a bad person, or definitely a racist, or anything like that - I have a great deal admiration for Hartnell, but it still just isn't right for the Wikipedia article to delete information this way. Besides, we have allowed controversy and accusations of racism surrounding other beloved celebrities on here, as well as their defenders, such as Wayne, Disney, Trump and Churchill. Even if the Hartnell allegations are considered not noteworthy enough, we should still take into consideration the first hand sources surrounding them and debate on whether they are notable enough. If they are not allowed, I understand it, but the first hand sources at least need some looking at. (talk) 10:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Again, citations from high-quality reliable sources is the only way any of this would even be looked at, in the first place. El_C 10:57, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
The most concrete evidence of such views actually comes from his own granddaughter, Jessica Carney, who wrote the biography Who's There? The Life and Career of William Hartnell, and stated that Hartnell did express concerns about "foreigners", but that "all those loudly expressed opinions were contradicted by his behaviour on a personal level. [...] if he liked someone, they weren't a foreigner, they were a friend." Carney is an excellent source, and I see no problems with that cited in these few lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
By all means, bring it to the article talk page to see what other editors think. Hopefully, through persuasion, and perhaps compromise, a consensus can be formed about this matter. El_C 11:09, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Done. (talk) 11:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Revert Richard Grenell[edit]

I see you 'protected' the page with the wrong information -- even 1990'sguy acknowledges Donald Trump himself referred to Grenell as former US ambassador to Germany. I agree it's not quite clear when his last day as ambassador was; he likely wanted both roles at a point in time. However it's clear today that he's definitely not the ambassador so make the revert as it's impossible for non admins to make the proper edit. Powerrranger (talk) 18:32, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

As I noted on the article talk page, Grenell is clearly still U.S. ambassador to Germany, backed up my multiple WP:RSs and proper/common application of the Federal Vacancies Reform Act. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
@Powerrranger: that's not how protection works. The version that gets protected is random. But Wikipedia does subscribe to formal appointments rather than informal announcements, even when these are issued by the US President. El_C 18:34, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Grenell's clearly *NOT* the US ambassador to Germany. No official announcements by any individuals at the state department indicate anything to contradict the US President. Make the change. You need to do the right thing here. I realize you technically have more experience than me as an editor, but at this level, contradicting the US president's not a livable move.. (talk) 09:56, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
You can't verify by proving a negative. Until there's an official announcement, that only counts as an unofficial one. El_C 15:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The Establishment (Pakistan)[edit]

Hello. I don't know if this is the right place to share my concerns but right now I saw some articles like that one The Establishment (Pakistan) and also Criticism of Pakistan Armed Forces. That the Establishment article seems like many "deep state" stuff claims, so line is blurry of what is real and what is conspiracy and what is just imagiations. And I don't know but seems to there need to be some more strict control about this kind of articles. I am not much into topic but many things sounds like some kind of original research and content or part of that content somehow looks to it can fall into conspiracy theories field. I know to there is tensions between India and Pakistan, but I would not like to see to Wikipeda become their "battleground" where they can make articles where the main point is spreading advocacy or propaganda for and against , when they can make own blogs and websites about it. Brzikraken (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Brzikraken. No, this is not the right place. The right place would be the respective article talk pages, where you would be expected to outline your concerns with specific detail. Good luck. El_C 18:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Nabi Kudurroi return 2.[edit]

Same person different IPs same edits, same language.

    Mr.User200 (talk) 18:39, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Again, please feel free to submit an SPI report. I don't consider myself familiar enough with those set of articles to intervene at this time, sorry. El_C 18:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

Hello, El C. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Doug Weller talk 19:11, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, Doug Weller. Now responded. El_C 18:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Shit happens[edit]

No worries, mate. Kleuske (talk) 23:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry again. El_C 23:08, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


I hope you remember that Jp7311. They’re back again and harassing me and calling my edits as vandalism. They’re harassing me off-wiki too. Hope you’ll take action as things are extremely unsafe from Indian side. — Brihaspati (talk) 23:34, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Indeffed. El_C 23:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


... Harsh Mander. Clear cut BLP violations and related to India, I’m not going to edit but please restore stable version and protect it.— Brihaspati (talk) 05:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

That's too vague. Please document the actual violations in detail. El_C 15:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Please watching the coronavirus article in India[edit]

Hello EI C. Because 2020 coronavirus outbreak in India placed in Abritration Committee discretionary sanctions about IPA (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan), please add that article to your watchlist in order to anticipate of vandalism in the article. The coronavirus is international event, not just Indian event so it is necessary to add it into your watchlist. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:22, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 15:25, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors![edit]

please help translate this message into your local language via meta
Wiki Project Med Foundation logo.svg The 2019 Cure Award
In 2019 you were one of the top ~300 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a thematic organization whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Doc James. I try my best to stir medical articles in a science-based direction, despite my relative ignorance with the subject matter. And thank you for all that you do, not least of which keeping medical articles geared toward only the highest level of sourcing. So important. El_C 18:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)


DBigFacts. UAA is backlogged. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 18:37, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 18:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Spanks! And congrats on getting The Cure award! Totally badass! They fucking rock! Levivich [dubious – discuss] 18:50, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Levivich! Would be in bad taste for me to say that I miss the old (drooping) sig? El_C 18:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Cry.png Me too. But it broke formatting on the Minerva skin on any browser/device and put every talk page comment of mine in its own scroll box. Personally, I think they should get rid of Minerva, but you know how the WMF is. I've been having an identity crisis ever since.
BTW are bots unable to archive semiprotected talk pages? I just noticed Cluebot hasn't auto archived the riots page in a couple days, can't figure out why, other than maybe the protection. I'm about to go manually archive older threads. Levivich [dubious – discuss] 19:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
I see. Face-sad.svg Not positive, but, I'm fairly sure it should not be an issue for the bot. And I only semiprtoected a few minutes ago, so that can't be it... El_C 19:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, good point. You know, ClueBot works so hard fighting vandalism, it's really not fair to put archiving such a busy talk page on its plate as well, so I changed it over to MiszaBot (that slacker), which works with 1CA also. Hopefully that'll fix it. What do you think of the new sig? Levivich [needs a new sig – suggest one here – for the love of all that is holy help him out] 19:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Heh. Those bots — they get no respect at all. The new sig — literally a cry for help! El_C 19:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
@Levivich: What happens on the Minerva skin? InvalidOStalk 21:24, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
See caption
Screenshot of Levivich's old signature in an indented reply rendering a scroll bar with the Minerva skin
@InvalidOS: Rotating the text so that a portion of it was below the text baseline (a rotation of more than few degrees was enough) forced a new line in the div on Minerva skin, causing the div to show a scroll bar for any indented comments. At least, I think that's how the bug is caused. I could be wrong about the div part, but see this screenshot. Once it was brought to my attention on my talk page, I was able to easily reproduce the bug using Minerva skin on Safari, Firefox, and Chrome, desktop, tablet, and mobile. Frankly I'm shocked I apparently went a whole year without anyone saying anything about that–or maybe there was some update to Minerva that caused the problem, I'm not sure. But I couldn't figure out a work-around. Rotating the text upwards was fine, but when it was rotated downward beyond the baseline (to create that hanging effect), it seemed to force a new line that forced a scroll bar (but only for indented comments, hence why I think it's a div). Levivich[dubiousdiscuss] 21:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
@Levivich: That's definitely strange. InvalidOStalk 21:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Ghazipur City railway station[edit]

Sir, Ghazipur City railway station needs to be protected. IPs (probably of user Yoyorajsoni) are making disruptive edits, changing "Allahabad" to "Prayagraj" against our WP:COMMONNAME policy. Yoyorajsoni's comment here makes it obvious. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:21, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 10 days, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 14:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Face-smile.svg - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:35, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

Hello, El C. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Brihaspati (talk) 12:17, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, got it. El_C 14:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


I just saw that you blocked DBigFacts due to username impersonation. I believe that you were referring to DBigXray. I don't see how the two usernames are "very similar" as per WP:IMPERSONATOR. And even if you believe that they are (since similarly is subjective in nature), given the fact that DBX has retired now, the policy is not violated. ("Usernames that are similar only to unused or inactive accounts should not be a problem.") Bharatiya29 15:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Well, I, for one, consider it a provocation. Please feel free to appeal my decision in any forum you see fit. El_C 15:26, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Casting aspersions[edit]

Would you take a look at this comment? Thanks!Saff V. (talk) 16:17, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Uh, what am I looking at in terms of aspersions? El_C 16:18, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Excuse me! I attached a wrong link! please take a look at this comment that the user accused me to be connected with Iran's government that is the subject of casting aspersions.Thanks!Saff V. (talk) 07:52, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
@El C: Can I ask you to take a look at this comment? In addition, I have to say that the user keeps accusing me of lying ( or...Let others judge).Thanks!Saff V. (talk) 14:08, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Saff V., I already warned then blocked the user for personal attacks, so, for now, I am of the mindset to see if they have drawn any lessons from that. The let others judge could be read to be in reference to the sanction rather than the lying, though I admit that statement does not inspire confidence. But I am ever the eternal optimist. El_C 22:45, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Something that should be looked at[edit]

This is something that should be looked at User:IsrealFan22 Hope all is well.   // Timothy :: talk  02:56, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Indeed, it comes across as provocation. Indeffed and related pages deleted. El_C 03:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Point taken[edit]

... about the talk page message, to the long dormant editor, but the edits done earlier were so eggregious, and had such negative longlasting influences—creating an article that appeared valid, but was full of editorializing and unsupported content—that it seemed a small price to pay, to start them off on a better foot should they return. But thanks for the concern for my time. Bonne chance with your work. [ a frmr logging editor, and prof ] 2601:246:C700:19D:4CFC:65D3:E33:2417 (talk) 04:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the note. Regards, El_C 04:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Confusing message from you.[edit]


I recieved this message "Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons. Thank you. El_C 21:52, 29 February 2020 (UTC) "

I have no idea what are you talking about. What article? Which changes? (talk) 09:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I believe it was your edit to January 2019 Lincoln Memorial confrontation on Feb. 29th that this is in reference to. It had to be revision deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 15:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Yes, Liz is right, that was the article which prompted the {{uw-blp2}} warning. But if if it wasn't you, the specifics of the potential violation are unimportant. That is the downside, though, of editing with an IP, which may be used by multiple individuals — compared to registering a username account, which is yours and yours alone. El_C 15:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


Would you mind looking into this guy at Exodus? I’m in the middle of a trip, but I suspect he’s a sock. Thanks— Ermenrich (talk) 19:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

If you suspect socking, please file a report at Sockpuppet investigations. Otherwise, I have fully protected both Book of Exodus as well as The Exodus for one week, so hopefully that time will facilitate a resolution to the dispute and/or a determination into the socking suspicion. Hope you enjoy the rest of your trip. El_C 19:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Looks like your instincts were right, Ermenrich. Since the user has been indefinitely blocked for socking, I have lifted the protection from both pages. Best, El_C 03:21, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Asking blocked editor a simple question?[edit]

Hi! You were the one to sanction Mikola22 with a 60 days block on 20 February. I helped Mikola22 initiate a RfC at Talk:Josip Runjanin#RfC about ethnicity which has now run its 30 days. All editors that have participated, including me, oppose the suggestion except Mikola22. It would be nice to be able to close the discussion, but there is currently a large backlog at the "Request for closure" noticeboard. They are of course not allowed to discuss the case even in their talk page, but my question is: Will it be acceptable to ask on their talk page to accept that the RfC is closed with "Not done", provided that I remind them that they are not allowed to discuss the content matter, only answer "Yes" or "No"? If they answer "Yes", I will close it myself. It they answer "No", we will have to wait for someone uninvolved to close it or until their block is expired, whatever comes first. Regards! --T*U (talk) 10:37, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I have closed the RfC, so hopefully that resolves any outstanding issues. Regards, El_C 13:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Even better. Thanx, that is great! --T*U (talk) 13:59, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Have you seen this?[edit]

[17], also User_talk:Doug_Weller#Problematic_editor_engaging_in_Sockpuppetry. I guess that's possible but I don't see it. Doug Weller talk 13:08, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

No, that claimed proxying effort is news to me. I agree that that socking claim is not clear. IPA — the gift that keeps on giving! El_C 13:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
AE? Although I'm tempted just to turn the topic ban to an indefinite block and withdraw email. We don't need this bother. Doug Weller talk 13:37, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
That's right, no AE. Will disable email and indef momentarily. El_C 13:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
I forgot — we can't indef with AE blocks (no one knows why). Blocked for the maximum: one year. El_C 14:02, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. See 'sanctions.user at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee. It's possible to make an AE one year block with a following indefinite Admin block as was done to Oldstone James this year (although that was turned into a TB and then a plain indefinite block). Doug Weller talk 14:17, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
That's right, Oldstone James. Too many conflicting instructions at the labyrinthine maze that is ACDS. Face-sad.svg El_C 14:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Another DBigXray impersonator[edit]

[18] ("Father of DBigXray". Did you tell Functionaries or anyone about the one you blocked? I'm trying to decide if CU is justified. Doug Weller talk 14:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

No, I didn't tell anyone — should I have? If you're asking my advise about running a CU, it is a resounding yes. El_C 14:11, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
I will. Did you notice that DBigFacts was globally blocked? Nothing from CU. Meat probably. Doug Weller talk 14:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. Yes, I did notice the global lock, via the attempt by Bharatiya29 to challenge my block. They got shut down at ANI (where they failed to inform me of the report), and then got indeffed by the Arbitration Committee shortly thereafter. Never a dull moment. El_C 14:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Personal attacks[edit]

I did not make personal attacks on anyone, I stated that I would report someone for being corrupt, biased and disruptive. If you try to censor this comment, I may have to report you too. 2A02:C7F:1425:8B00:3076:E0B0:BE10:C797 talk 17:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

You report whatever you see fit, IP, but please don't accuse editors of being corrupt — that is a personal attack. El_C 17:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
It's not a personal attack if its true, I provided a source that was used elsewhere on Wikipedia to prove the same or a similar point and yet it was once again removed for "poor sourcing", meaning it was good enough for someone else but not me. That is quite obviously a personal attack on me, so yes I have every right to call a bully "corrupt". 2A02:C7F:1425:8B00:3076:E0B0:BE10:C797 talk 17:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
No, you may not call another editor "corrupt" or a "bully" — regardless of whether you think these labels are accurate or not.IP blocked for 31 hours for personal attacks after warning. El_C 17:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

RfC advice[edit]

Re your advice, indeed a RfC is a possible solution. But RfCs are kind of last resort, after prior discussion on the talk page clearly can not bring any solution. The discussion on the talk page has been ongoing for less than 24 hours. I and @Calthinus: have described a potential solution, and maybe the rest agree with it or a similar one. In such topics there are zillions of content disputes every month, and we can not open a RfC for each one. Furthermore, RfCs usually are "win or lose", while finding common ground without opening a RfC is more likely to satisfy all sides of the dispute. However, if the current discussion brings no solution, of course opening a RfC will be a constructive act. Do not worry, the page protection expires after 18 days. Till then things should have calmed down and everyone reflected on the matter. That is why page protections were created for, after all. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

I just don't find it particularly likely that the matter will be resolved without an RfC that is properly closed — but by all means, I'll be happy to be proven wrong. El_C 19:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree. Statements such as: @Dr.K. It is obvious that simply removing the census results from the lede is not a solution. don't leave me with any hope for a quick resolution. An RfC is a great proposal. El C's actions so far both as an admin and as an editor providing advice have been exemplary and I thank him for that. I would normally not participate on a talkpage with DS sanctions and admin warnings, but I do do because I trust El C both as an editor and an admin. Dr. K. 21:45, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Many thanks, Dr.K., I really appreciate that — that means a lot. El_C 21:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

LTA returns[edit]

Can you please reblock (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log) for another 3-6 months? The page-blanker returned last month and has been going on vandalizing sprees every now and then. Additionally, I have found numerous disruptive edits among the most recent range contributions (possibly made by other individuals), including childish nonsense, NSFW vandalism, and anti-Semitic content. Thanks. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 21:36, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Please don't chase and revert[edit]

Unless it is clear vandalism, chasing other people's edits and revert all their edits without discussion first is a self-centred action which proved to be a source of conflict and is hurting Wikipedia very bad. I think we both like Wekipedia to be a pleasant place to share our knowledge, do we? Please always rememebr to refrain from abusing the reverting option when editing. Thank you. 2001:8003:9008:1301:6898:816A:2928:D089 (talk) 05:09, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

I am an uninvolved Wikipedia administrator and I consider the type of edits you are making to be disruptive. El_C 05:10, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

help me please I'm going crazy[edit]

I'm not even sure how I came to the wiki page that then gave me a few options to then get to a recently active editor, but here I am.

I briefly scanned your other talk subjects and think you might be able to help me. I have definitely been frustrated and going crazy with another editor and would love some advice. I'm also trying to use this as a cathartic and to stop me from continuing what I'd guess most likely is an edit war.

In short, I made a change to a page that was undone by another user. In order to understand it, I engaged with the other user and looked at what other edits they've done because my assumption was that if they undid my edit then they must know more than me so I could learn from them. They then accused me of stalking which was not my intent, but I'll concede I could understand why they'd feel that way. My only defense is that my intent was to learn from their edits which led me to pages that I was interested in and wanted to contribute (I believe it was 4 pages).

But there lies the problem because every edit I do almost without exception they undo. To give what I think exemplifies bad faith on their part, they undid another editor's adding someone wanted to go back onto a show with the statement it doesn't matter unless they actually go back on the show even though the person stated it. So on another page I removed a like example where an actor said they would go on a show but they have not, and the editor undid it. I should also add, that all of the changes I did on 4 pages was to add back info with cites that the original poster didn't have a good cite on. None were what I would describe as petty.

I've attempted to engage the user in talk and they can talk wiki links around me (a disability impacts my ability to absorb all the pages that they've thrown at me but I'm really trying). And I have to confess that I have definitely learned things from the editor, but the dogmatic undoing of my edits is simply driving me over the edge.

On their talk page, they have a history of edit warring and reverts up to having been blocked for it as well as apparently trying to set up a 2nd account so as to get around a block. I'm guessing that's why they honestly can talk circles around me.

Would you please look at these pages and history and tell me if I'm nuts and am wrong, or if it's somewhere in the middle? Whoopi Goldberg Nicolle Wallace talk:KyleJoan my history page

I'm convinced that without a 3rd party to take an interest there won't be a resolution. Thank you and apologize for taking your time.Mikethewhistle-original (talk) 06:02, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Not at all, Mikethewhistle-original. But I am going to need a better documented account in order to launch an investigation into this myself. El_C 06:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
First, I apologize if I might ramble a little. I didn't used to but some medication I take impacts my ability to keep a good solid thought line. I try and go back and fix that but typing isn't easy for me so ....
I was hoping to get a fast read essentially telling me whether I'm all wet, or if there might be some merit. If I'm all wet it'll tell me to just to cool it.
Is there a way you can weigh in on two things because I think it will indicate if I'm just seeing it all wrong, or whether the other person won't give a break.
[this edit they state "Huntsman wanting to come back is only notable if she does"]
On this edit of mine, they state "Goldberg said she was doing it, so that's sufficient; we don't actually need the legal document of her contract to confirm her involvement"
In order for me to put together all the stuff would take me a lot of hard work, which I'll do, but i'm hoping that maybe you can tell me if what's above does/doesn't indicate a contradiction. essentially if it deos then i'll feel less crazy and that's it's warratned but if there's something i'm missing.
if you can't, that's fine just tell me and i'll work to put together the facts. (When I started trying to read the dispute resln page, what got me here btw is that this is a user issue more than content because there's a problem on i think two pages. also, as an aside, I got a "thanks" from a user for my section about stop undoing me on the person's talk page. I am not the only person that has issue with this editor undoing people's work as just above my section on their page is another user taking issue with the same thing (as well as several other sections above). sry for going ononononMikethewhistle-original (talk) 06:43, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, Mikethewhistle-original — I am still finding it difficult to comprehend what the overarching content dispute is actually about. My tentative advise would be to discuss with the other parties on the respective article talk page. In case you reach an impasse there, there are other dispute resolution (and accompanying requests) avenues that could be of help to you. But if you don't feel that strongly about it, you can just withdraw and do something else on Wikipedia, of course. El_C 06:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Mikethewhistle-original, a quick look at the "actor returning to show" question shows a fundamental difference: Goldberg has confirmed that she will return, Huntsman has said that she might perhaps return if asked. So the comments you received on those edits are very much to the point. --bonadea contributions talk 07:02, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
sigh. thx. i'll go back to fixing some cite neededs while i ponder. ty for your time.Mikethewhistle-original (talk) 07:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for sorting this out, Bonadea. Now that you parsed it, it makes sense and I concur. El_C 07:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

That does help some so i could re-focus, but is the difference so great that the fact should be omitted from the other actresses page? i don't know. my nind is spinning at this point because i'm frustrated. when you work to add stuff and find cites and massage it into a small ball to put on the page and someone just rips it right off repeatedly, it causes frustration. What's interesting is I've added and changed other pages and not had the same reception and I don't think it's right that I can't contribute to a couple pages because someone seems to be guarding them. I'll withdraw for the time being abnd thank you both very much.Mikethewhistle-original (talk) 07:23, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Karnataka population vandal[edit]

As you are aware, having blocked several of them, this vandal has returned since the beginning of March, and I have continued to log the IPs I am aware of at User:Arjayay/Pop figures
I don't understand range blocks, but assume 106.217.XX.XX is too broad a range, however 4 of the 5 this month have been 106.217.37.XX - is this blockable? - Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't know — my understanding of range blocks is rather limited, too. El_C 10:20, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Another page-blanker[edit]

Can you please block (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log) for about a month? This appears to be another page-blanking LTA, who has been persistently vandalizing in the past few weeks at the least. They have a newer IP on the subnetwork, but otherwise, all of their IPs currently fall under the range I outlined earlier. Thanks. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 16:57, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 17:00, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

can you please weight in on[edit]

Can you please weigh in on my question at: Wikipedia:Teahouse#Are_apples_really_apple?

It relates to my earlier question somewhat, but I'm hoping to pick your brain, but gently:) thx Mikethewhistle-original (talk) 01:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi again, Mikethewhistle-original. ColinFine really said largely what I would have said. I don't really have much to add to their advise, which I also recommend. It is pretty straight-forward here on Wikipedia when it comes to disputes. If someone does something you disagree with, try to discuss it with them for the purpose of trying to reach a resolution or a compromise. Good luck! El_C 16:54, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Photo Dimash Kudaibergen[edit]

Hello dear El_C! I'm so aaawfully sorry to bother you here Cry.png but I didn't know whom else I could ask.

I would like to change the photo in Dimash's Wikipedia article. The current one is unfortunately overall not a good photo, and the resolution is really bad. I talked to a Dimash fan who is a photographer and she allowed me to choose one of her photos for Wikipedia. So I chose this one because I hope it would be well suitable for Wikipedia (close-up of his face from the front with okay quality/resolution)

She has already sent me the photo in full resolution and removed the watermark. And she also says she's okay with officially declaring the photo public domain, if needed. But now here's the problem: Unfortunately, we both don't know how this exactly works Cry.png I've spent quite some while reading through Wikipedia guidelines, including image use policy, but I'm afraid I still haven't really understood what exactly I need to do to make the photo usable for Wikipedia Cry.png Maybe you could give me a tip. I would reaaaally, really appreciate that. Face-smile.svg I am looking forward to hearing from you. Face-smile.svg Best wishes, Jasmin Ariane (talk) 17:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jasmine. It is no bother at all. In answer to your question: I would recommend choosing the drop down option in Special:Upload that reads the copyrright holder gave me permission to use this work only in Wikipedia articles — that, I think gives the photographer the best protection from unauthorized usage while still allowing her image to appear on Wikipedia. Hope this helps! El_C 17:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello dear El_C! Thank you soo much! I clicked the link and uploaded the photo and now I received the following message on my Talk Page. I really don't know what exactly to do. Cry.png And I don't know what a copyright tag is, how to use it and which one I need to use in my situation. Cry.png Can you maybe help? I really don't know what to do
"Image without license
Unspecified source/license for File:Kudaibergen at New Wave in 2019.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:Kudaibergen at New Wave in 2019.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the copyright status of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. Even if you created the image yourself, you still need to release it so Wikipedia can use it. If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate copyright tag, it may be deleted some time after the next seven days. If you made this image yourself, you can use copyright tags like { { PD-self } } (to release all rights), { { self|cc-by-sa-4.0 } } (to require that you be credited), or any tag here - just go to the image, click edit, and add one of those. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well."
I think I solved it, Jasmine. Since the copyright holder agreed to release it unconditionally, I just picked {{GDFL}}, which I think resolves everything as far as our immediate purposes go (I also made a note on the image file itself to that effect). All the best, El_C 19:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
You're the greates, El_C! Thank you so, so much for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasmin Ariane (talkcontribs) 17:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 coronavirus outbreak in South Korea[edit]

Hellow! I'm writing this message to ask for your advice since you have longer experience in Wikipedia. There has been some dispute about edit on 2020 coronavirus outbreak in South Korea. The user Koraskadi has accused my edit on 2020 coronavirus outbreak in South Korea as violating WP:POV policy. However this user has given sources from tradition critic of current government such as JoongAng Ilbo, The Dong-a Ilbo or Chosun ilbo, also in my view, this user has used some opinion sources and added contents that are not mentioned in the sources. So I reverted this user's edit per breaking WP:NOR, WP:SYN and WP:RSOPINION. In addition, I had added a message on this user's talk page to mention the reason why I had reverted this user's revision. Can you give me some advice on how to solve this conflict about the issue? Also if I had made a mistake please tell me so that I wouldn't make any further same mistakes. Thank you for reading! Jeff6045 (talk) 07:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

My advise is to stay the course. That user has been blocked for violating the 3 revert rule, because multiple editors disagreed with their additions. The onus is on them to gain consensus for their changes on the article talk page rather than edit war, which, if they continue to do, they will simply be blocked for longer. El_C 15:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank for your advice! Jeff6045 (talk) 05:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Emiliano Zapata[edit]

Zapata never used the slogan "Tierra y Libertad" And this poster is a modern fantasy, please verify it. All contacts or influence of the Florés Magón are totaly unproved, nobody find a corrpondance between Tapata and the Flrés Magón brothers.

Emiliano Zapata nunca uso del lema Tierra y Libertad, nunca tuvo contactos o correspondencia con los hermanos Flosés Magón, el "poster" que quité est una fantasía moderna, apócrifa. Atte,-- (talk) 21:31, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not a mind reader, IP — how is it possible to infer any of that from an edit summary that reads: "Plan of Ayala and rebellion against Madero"What? El_C 22:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Frank Zappa[edit]

Hi El C! You know ~ Ol' Frank use to tell me not to eat the yellow snow ~ I never knew what that meant either ~ go figure... ~mitch~ (talk) 22:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Treacherous Cretins! El_C 23:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

LTA block evasion[edit]

Can you please block (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log) for around 2 months? It appears to be the same person as (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log). In addition, the range edits from the past 2 months have been mostly vandalism, and the edits are indicative of a public school network. Thanks. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 16:35, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 16:37, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Can you please also block (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log) for 2-3 months? This is the same person as (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log), and they've also been using this range since December 2019. The vast majority of recent range edits are vandalism. Thanks. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 20:57, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 02:22, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help with IP hopper[edit]

You previously protected the Lithuanians page due to a disruptive IP hopper. I asked for the page to be protected at WP:RFPP but the request was declined, because "there is not enough disruption". The same IP hopper continues to make edits in the Lithuanians page and I have to revert almost every day. Therefore, I want to know what steps should I take. Should I go to WP:SPI or WP:LTA? Or could you just protect the page for a longer period? Thanks in advance. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:22, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 3 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 09:24, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! – Sabbatino (talk) 14:36, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Narendra Modi[edit]

Have you read what I have written there, It was about the neutrality of lead section. There need to be some positive content there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I read it, and at the very least, it is too general to be useful. El_C 21:42, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia is for everyone to edit. There is no reason to remove at least from talk page. Nobody was granted with ownership. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
The article talk page is for making specific proposals to improve the article, which your comment failed to do. El_C 21:52, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Well, it's all about the tone of the content, will be back with specific stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:56, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, "specific stuff" sounds like a plan. El_C 21:59, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Nikhil Chinapa[edit]

Thank you. It looks like the WP:BLP crap goes back at least to March 12. Cheers, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Not at all — happy to help. Are you able to compile the diffs for whatever needs to be revdeleted? El_C 22:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I don't want to flood you with diffs, but I'll hunt up one or two of the earliest. A concerted spill of nastiness. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:19, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate you doing that legwork. El_C 22:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can see, the personal attacks, which are mostly name calling, start at [19]; the first reference to his wife's dating history begins [20]. Everything since March 12 has been pretty much uniformly disparaging. I'll go back and see if there's an earlier history as well. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
On December 28, 2019, the infobox and photo were vandalized and removed. Nothing in 'early life' is sourced....will look for earlier BLP business. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Yikes. Well, I just revdeleted everything March 12 onward. And on second thought, I've also extended the protection to 2 months from 2 weeks. El_C 22:30, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Sounds good, thanks again. El_C 22:30, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the personal stuff goes back earlier--it's a pretty new article. Thank you very much. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:32, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
For sure — thank you for keeping on top of it. El_C 22:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Do not restore false claims to articles[edit]

Restoring false claims to articles without even bothering to justify yourself in an edit summary is highly disruptive behaviour. It strikes me as malicious to do that on an article of extreme topical interest. What exactly were you thinking? J en mhh (talk) 00:14, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

I started a discussion on the article talk page: here. I'm sorry, but an edit summary that simply reads "false" is too terse to be useful. El_C 00:17, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Do you have any understanding of the topic of the article? Obviously you do not. Did you notice that the claim had been added just three minutes before I removed it, by a user making a string of badly-written unhelpful edits? That must also be a no. I am appalled at your behaviour. J en mhh (talk) 00:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I apologize without reservations for misreading and somehow conflating between versions. I am operating on very little sleep, which probably contributed to my error. Sorry again. El_C 00:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

women rights in Iran[edit]

Can I ask you to take a look at this disscusion?Thanks!Saff V. (talk) 08:50, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Sure, will do. El_C 19:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 coronavirus pandemic in South Korea[edit]

Ip usres are keep making unconstructive edits to the article about 2020 coronavirus pandemic in South Korea although I have given several warnings to these users. Can you help me to deal with this issue? Jeff6045 (talk) 13:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Copyrighted text removed and revdeleted. Article semiprotected, indefinitely. El_C 19:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Copyright violation? True. But see how Jeff6045 revert it for being OR. Factual integrity to be maintained at all cost? Time will eventually reveal how you made a complete fool of yourself by not giving this issue the attention it is due and acting hastily and impulsively. When you learn of the truth, you will feel ashamed of your complete incompetence as an administrator or an arbitrator in your role of helping of Jeff6045 suppressing the truth. Do you doubt it? Google translate the Korean article. And go look at Jeff6045's edit history for once, on how he demonizes all his political opponents as being political extremists while using sources made up of amatuer journalists like Ohmynews in Wikipedia. You were manipulated. Shame. Shame. Shame.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2D8:EA9B:EC33:0:0:4509:C601 (talk) 20:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Your vehemence is misdirected. I have no opinion (or knowledge) about your content dispute. That conversation belongs on the article talk page, anyway. El_C 21:03, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Then you should not have stated that Factual integrity to be maintained at all cost. Jeff6045 was the one comprimising factual integrity. He reverted copy pasted content directly from sources for being OR. He engaged in edit warring in a most prolific fashion. He does not follow the very first step of DR while claiming to be so. He harasses users by spamming warnings on everyone he has a dispute with, disparaging their contribution as being disruptive and unconstructive. You ultimately endorsed Jeff6045's behavior by not reprimanding his behavior at all. In the end, Wikipedia is now legally liable to defamation against multiple organizations in South Korea, and I will be contacting them shortly. This is not a legal threat against Jeff6045, but a legal rectification of the state of how Wikipedia labeled Korean organizations as ultranationalist, far-right, and the like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2D8:EA21:53C0:0:0:A2F:C0A5 (talk) 21:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Unless you immediately and categorically withdraw all threat of legal action, you will no longer be permitted to edit here. You're entitled to seek any legal redress you see fit, but you cannot continue to remain a Wikipedia editor while the legal matter remains unresolved. El_C 21:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Cite the policy, then I will just point out where the problems lie. WP:LIBEL WP:LEGALTHREAT only prohibits making threats against editors. Or are you making up the rules on the fly? Wikipedia is responsible for identifying libelous statement, not me as an individual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2D8:E307:EDCC:0:0:4589:DC02 (talk) 21:46, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
You cannot threaten to take legal action against Wikipedia itself and be allowed to continue to edit Wikipedia while this legal action remains unresolved. That has always been my understanding of policy. Anyway, you keep forgetting that this is a volunteer project, IP. If you want your dispute to be properly investigated, bother doing the legwork for a well-documented summary of it. Maybe register an account, because your IP keep changing, which makes it difficult to connect, you the person, with your edits. Copyright violations are highly prohibited on Wikipedia — that was your mistake, not mine. That is all I attended to. I am not obliged to investigate further. You're certainly not motivating me to do so with all your bluster. As for Factual integrity to be maintained at all cost, see: China, Germany, Misinformation, Coronavirus, Italy, UK, US, World. El_C 22:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
@El C: Thank you very much! Jeff6045 (talk) 22:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

My apologies. I read the policies in detail, and you were right. Here are the articles. Look at their edit histories and see Jeff6045's role in negatively branding them as far-right organizations with inapplicable WP, often OR.

Future Korea Party Saenuri Party Liberty Korea Party Chosun Ilbo

As for myself, I'm Koraskadi. Ban me if you wish. I got blocked for 'reverting' by adding sources when I recognized the flaw. I was met by unexplained reverts and other random WP violations. When I realized it could not be solved by ddit warring I just added NPOV dispute tags and started to edit talk page. I got blocked for edit warring even before I got to post in the talk page. You cant even edit the talk page when you are blocked. Next time, I tried to draw ppl to talk page by reverting twice then next only added the NPOV dispute tags. I initiated the discussion, only to be promptly banned again even when I was proceeding with the dispute resolution process. I got angry and proved my point by exposing Jeff6045's disruptive behavior of making reverts with false accusations and prolific edit warring. I know it's disruptive behavior of only editing to make a point, so you may ban me if you wish, but I at least have proven that the admin someguy unilaterally disrupted the DR procedure by trigger happy blocking and not considering at all that there are always two sides to edit warring, and totally ignoring my effort to end edit warring by only adding npov tags and sincerely following the steps of DR by first initiating discussion at talk page, and then ask for neutral opinions on relevant noticeboards. And I's the only one blocked for edit warring, right? All's OK with Jeff6045.

If you forgive my recent disruption, I will take some time to cool it off, since I am still infuriated at the admin someguy for blocking me when I tried to stop edit warring and was proceeding with DR. If forgiven, I will proceed with DR again with sincerety as before.

IP, that is not a well-documented summary of the dispute — it has zero diffs. You are still not doing the legwork. And I still have not even agreed to look into this for you, even if you do make a cogent, cohesive, and comprehensive case. Again, I'm a volunteer and I apportion the free labour I give here as I see fit. And you still have not categorically withdrawn your threat of legal action. And who is Koraskadi? Is that a user name? Where are the links. Sorry, but your latest comment does not inspire confidence. El_C 23:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I am a volunteer too. All you have to do is looking at the article where you have interevend. I forgot to mention that I categorically withdraw that I will be informing the organizations of the libelous material here, but I just changed my mind. I just lost confidence in you too, as you clearly lose confidence in me as I pledge to follow the dispute resolution process. I won't be editing here any longer. Good luck with accusing major political parties and one the largest media outlets in Korea of being far-right political extremists akin to Neo-Nazis. Not to mention total fail at the admin and arbitrator level of blocking, disrupting and discouraging an editor of building consensus through DR when there is a dispute, and encouraging Jeff6045's disruptive behavior of reverting without proper cause, harassing other editors and edit warring.
Too much bluster that doesn't really have anything to do with me, IP. I'm no longer interested. El_C 23:32, 16 March 2020 (UTC)


Do these articles have a history of disruptive editing related to complementary and alternative medicine? I'm just following up per my comments at WP:ARCA#Clarification request: Acupuncture, and trying to figure out the right solution. Let me know your thoughts. – bradv🍁 22:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Bradv, they do not. They are in lieu of the Committee "authorizing discretionary sanctions specifically for the coronavirus topic area." If that was procedurally in error, I accept that. But at its heart is community consensus to IAR-away toward this side of erring on the side of caution. El_C 23:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
My thinking is that if the community is supportive of these articles being semi-protected indefinitely, then there's probably no need to invoke DS, especially when the one being applied is a bit of a stretch. – bradv🍁 23:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Fair point. In hindsight, I should have thought better of it. Anyway, will desist. Thanks for the note. Regards, El_C 23:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
No worries, I get what you're trying to do. These articles need to be factually accurate and clear of misinformation, so I'm supportive of whatever the best way is to achieve that. – bradv🍁 23:41, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 Coronavirus pandemic in South Korea[edit]

I am the user that made the original edit in question, but I did not engage in edit warring. Could you please highlight my copyright violation so that I can make constructive edits in the future? Thank you.Unibrow69420 (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Your opening sentence is copied word-for-word from the source. Please don't do that again. Write your own original prose. El_C 02:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I will do that next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unibrow69420 (talkcontribs) 02:56, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Happy Saint Patrick's Day[edit]

Irish clover.png

Happy Saint Patrick's Day :)   // Timothy :: talk  14:55, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Cheers! El_C 14:59, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

WikiDefender Barnstar Hires.png The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you! Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Doc James, all these awards from you are making me blush! I greatly appreciate your recognition — it is an honour, truly. El_C 17:57, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's March corner[edit]

St. Patrick's Day
Crocus, Eibingen.jpg
Pärt: The Deer's Cry

Same story as before Draft:Anja Augustin. Admitted, I wouldn't have translated that particular article, but now that a friend did it I'd like to rescue, but without investing more time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Hmm. Perhaps there's a conversation to be had with the reviewer — it is the same individual as the last draft, right? Anyway, Anja Augustin is now live. El_C 21:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
I asked - and yes, same reviewer. Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I advised the user to be more judicious in the future. El_C 21:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. We'll see. She was on two lists of Women in red, as requested, and then when someone actually does something about it, sending to draft amd threatening with deletion is the result. Sigh. Today I worked on Henny Wolff, notable for sure ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Apparently, that was it as far as conversation with Sulfurboy goes. Oh well. El_C 04:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I thanked him (I guess ...boy is a he, and sometimes I could bet by behaviour that someone is a he, sorry,) per click, because it seems to mean no RfD, no additional waste of time, which I consider good news. Promise to self: next time, I'll check the sources before investing time in copy-editing, and will not pull the review button but ask the user who sent something to draft individually if I reached a state acceptable for Main space. The boy's talk is a mountain of hopes not ripened, - I prefer mine ;) - Next time is Draft:Birgit Dahlenburg. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
What do you think about Dahlenburg now? ... refs added. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Adding refs help, to be sure, but I'm sorry to say, Gerda, I think Draft:Birgit Dahlenburg may be more problematic than the other entries mentioned on the Corner, this time per WP:PROF. For example, the lead mentions how she was instrumental in digitizing art, but there is no mention in the body about this presumably key accomplishment. Otherwise, it's a bit difficult for me to parse her notability because I am wholly unfamiliar with the organizations she was a member of, their repute, their scope and function, and so on. El_C 14:38, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
To be clear: despite my language barrier, intuitively, it feels like she would probably fulfills the notability threshold, once some of these issues I mention above —especially the lead/body dissonance— are addressed. So I encourage you to do so. El_C 14:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I believe that she is more notable than Augustin, - she is the author of several publications mentioned as sources on the English Wikipedia, with links that now go to nowhere. I will think about her, but not until next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Instead, I worked on more recent deaths, and one is ready on the noms page, - in case you want an easy job ;) - What a life! - Working on a GA to be, about singing in defiance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Update: the easy job was done ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
He was posted, and two others afterwards, now Naomi Munakata is marked ready, - for a while. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 Done. El_C 18:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
thank you, (borrowing her smile --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

Hello, El C. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.TheJoblessCoder (talk) 22:13, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
@TheJoblessCoder: in answer to your question, you may submit an edit request to that effect. Hope that helps. El_C 22:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

"Edit Warring"[edit]

Did Doc James and Velella get a ban also? They were the ones removing content, while I was contributing, so why am I accused of edit warring? Detailed Edit (talk) 01:29, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

You violated the 3 revert rule — they did not. As well, WP:ONUS states that the onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is upon those seeking to include disputed content. Please reflect on that. El_C 01:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
@El C: wanna upgrade that block in light of [21]? DMacks (talk) 02:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
....edit conflict on exactly the same point - I strongly agree with DMacks.  Velella  Velella Talk   02:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 Done. Indeffed. El_C 02:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. DMacks (talk) 02:13, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for expediting[edit]

Thanks --Gau Choob (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

You bet. El_C 17:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Canada medical cases[edit]

Hi El C, for the edit request could you add the link for the article titled "2020 coronavirus pandemic in Quebec" because the QC link is missing and it was already created Go to "Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Canada medical cases" At QC please add both links at QC to include "2020 coronavirus pandemic in Quebec" as an edit request. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:C955:CE75:3DDA:DC2A (talk) 23:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Already done. El_C 00:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic[edit]

At location someone has created the article titled "2020 coronavirus pandemic in New Brunswick" and it was missing under "Locations". Under Canada could you add "New Brunswick" to include the article titled "2020 coronavirus pandemic in New Brunswick" under Canada at "Locations" and put it in alphabetical order. This is another edit request. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:C955:CE75:3DDA:DC2A (talk) 23:56, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 00:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)


Santo Tomás, por Diego Velázquez.JPG Greetings
~ Going to San Diego anytime soon? ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 16:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Nope, but I do have fond memories from my visit there in the 90s. El_C 17:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Minjung Party[edit]

There has been some discussion about Minjung party's political spectrum and ideology. During the discussion there has been some dispute about whether the sources are against WP policy. Can you join the disscussion and advice me and other editors about this issue? I think your advice can help to make progress on this issue. Thank you for reading. Jeff6045 (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Jeff6045, I'm sorry but this is not an area with which I am familiar. Good luck. El_C 23:03, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

2019–20 coronavirus and the politics[edit]

I'm not intending to push POV, but the coronavirus crisis has been highly bounded to the politics. (At least, US and China politics) Should we use saction to keep an eyes with the persons (Such as Li Wenliang, Chen Qiushi) as well as other social-political articles related to the coronavirus crisis? Mariogoods (talk) 23:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, these fall under the COVID-19 General Sanctions. Please feel free to submit any such proposal to apply sanctions as the need arises. El_C 23:03, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
It's the first time for me to submit any such proposal. And how could I do to submit it? By just adding the template to the talk page? (While the original purpose is to "prevent pseudoscience", but the saction should be also applied to "prevent political propaganda") Mariogoods (talk) 23:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
What is the incident you're immediately dealing with? Please feel free to submit a well-documented account of it right here. El_C 23:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Clarification request: Acupuncture closed and archived[edit]

The clarification request regarding the arbitration case Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Acupuncture has been closed and archived to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Acupuncture#Clarification request: Acupuncture (March 2020).

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 22:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, Dreamy Jazz. El_C 23:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


Hi El C. Admin help is needed (quick, n simple task), you still around? —usernamekiran (talk) 06:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

pinging TheSandDoctor. You around? —usernamekiran (talk) 06:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Sounds good, usernamekiran. All the best, El_C 07:14, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

DS alert[edit]

El_C might you deliver the COVID DS alert at User talk:ChulaOne? Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:51, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I think this is a bigger problem; could you have a look at ChulaOne's edits at Talk:White House Coronavirus Task Force? They have done similar at Deborah Birx. It is looking more like run-of-the-mill trolling. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Indeffed. El_C 14:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks so much, what an odd waste of time (quotation marks, seriously?) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Absolutely. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. El_C 15:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Janata Curfew[edit]

Why did you remove the info that I added about people thinking the Indian government has the cure for the coronavirus and thinking staying at home cures it? It is sourced, it's placed below the paragraph on the page. Also, why did you revert the grammar corrections unrelated to that? I'm trying to help out too. If you can read that page, you can see that I'm debunking rumors about the coronavirus, not making up new ones. As previously mentioned, what I added is already on the page so I ask you to please revert the edits (or at least the grammar corrections I made)? Thanks in advance. -- (talk) 15:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Please propose your changes on the article talk page — if other editors see merit in your changes, I will lift my objection. El_C 16:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

GS for COVID-19[edit]

Hello, El C, I see you are the most active admin regarding this subject and I was wondering whether you thought it would be useful to post GS notices to the most active editors I see working on these articles (like we generally do with U.S. politics) or should we just notify editors that appear to be disrupting articles? I think most editors are unaware of the sanctions and I know I missed the discussion that set these up. I have all of the articles Watchlisted and the editing has been too rapid to check individual edits but I could inform editors who do the bulk of editing about the sanctions. Let me know what you think. Liz Read! Talk! 21:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Liz. While I've been limiting myself to issuing these alerts only to users who make disruptive edits, you do make a good point: extending that practice to active editors, in general, could prove quite useful. I say, let's do it. El_C 22:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


i literally just send him a message in her talk page. just like she did. what's wrong with that?-- (talk) 23:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

You copied their message, were using their name as your own — please don't do that again. Thank you. El_C 23:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Don't know where to go ~[edit]

Hi El C! I don't know who to contact about this edit here but the information in the edit can be harmful to others ~ can you help and remove the edit like you do when some gets vulgar and offensive? Thanks ~mitch~ (talk) 10:27, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 18:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Help needed[edit]

Hi El C. You handled a dispute I had with a user a month agoජපස. I was very sick at the time and not very lucid (you might have noticed so I accept blame for not handling that scenario very efficiently and my first wikipedia ban in over 10 years (not by you).

I have encountered the same editor now and have tried to resolve in a civil manner another stupid dispute. I did my best to be WP:CIVIL but have just failed. Could you have a look hereජපස#WP:BRD and give me some advice on how to avoid this kind of problems? Is it me?

Thanks and sorry to bother you again with such trivialities. Especially during this moment in time.

P.s. the last and only time I asked an admin for advice I was banned by that user. I never had such issues. Is asking for help/advice not appropriate in such cases? Thanks --Gtoffoletto (talk) 14:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Gtoffoletto, your opponents are right in this instance: you should not be modifying quotes. El_C 18:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I really cannot comprehend what you and JBD mean. Could you explain? Is my understanding of the meaning of "in quotes" wrong? have you read the entire discussion? Thanks for the help --Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
(watching:) the "according to the New York Times" bit is NOT part of the quote, so should not be within the quotation marks. This is what the others also said. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
(also watching) and I'm as baffled as Gtoffoletto. I've gone through each diff, starting with when the text was first added. The edit closed the preceding quote (against the wind". and then added the new line and according to the New York times "shows an object zooming over the ocean waves as pilots question what they are watching." (with ref). I cannot find a diff where "according to the New York Times" is within quotation marks as claimed. What am I missing? Schazjmd (talk) 22:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Ok but either I'm completely insane or that part is NOT within quotation marks. Read the entire conversation please. Am I losing my mind?
Quotes highlighted:
The New York Times said the footage showed "an object tilting like a spinning top moving against the wind". A pilot refers to a fleet of objects, but no imagery of a fleet was released. The second video was taken a few weeks later and according to the New York times "shows an object zooming over the ocean waves as pilots question what they are watching." See:[22]
Am I crazy? Or maybe I just don't know what "in quotes" really means?--Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks User:Schazjmd... are we the only two crazy people on Wikipedia? Is this a prank? Am I on TV? Where is the camera? --Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Again, you modified the quote. A pilot refers to a fleet of objects, but no imagery of a fleet was released. The second video was taken a few weeks later — you removed the quote marks from that and rearranged the sentence. Please be more careful with modifying passages that are quoted. El_C 23:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Aha, now I get it. It's referring to ending the quote at the end of against the wind. However, the quote properly ended there previously, (the portion A pilot refers to "a fleet of objects", but no imagery of a fleet was released. was not a quote), and ජපස removed the ending quote marks after wind, which was incorrect. Gtoffoletto restored the missing quote marks in the same edit as adding shows an object.... Whew, nice to have that straightened out! I couldn't figure out where folks were seeing the problem. Thanks, El C. Schazjmd (talk) 23:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
And now I see I was incorrect; that should properly be quoted as its verbatim in the caption. I got it wrong, but I appreciate the help in seeing where I missed it! Schazjmd (talk) 23:15, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
That is not what JBD is saying. The entire paragraph is mostly referencing the New York Times so similarities exist. I wrote the whole article and know the sources very well. JBD is contesting the sentence "The second video was taken a few weeks later and according to the New York times" which was written by me and is not in quotes. The quotes were only added because JBD was reverting any description of the video that was not verbatim from a source so I was very careful to add them. I've explained everything on JBD's discussion. I don't think anyone is reading it at this point. This user's behaviour will continue once again. I have bigger fish to fry I guess. --Gtoffoletto (talk) 23:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Since I am now 100% sure of my sanity thanks to User:Schazjmd finally taking the time to read could you please comment on the civility displayed by the user? The underlying dispute should be irrelevant to that aspect. Advice? Thanks --Gtoffoletto (talk) 02:48, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

new people or unregistered people keeps adding unsourced content or error on Diamond Princess (ship)[edit]

pls semi-protect this article due to the popularity of this ship on Coronavirus, more unsourced edits will appear. (talk) 03:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 15:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
pls also protect the ship's biggest incident of infections such as Grand Princess, Ruby Princess and possibly also MS Westerdam. Since, everytime when there are reports and news about this ship, loads of people edits unsourced stuff to the articles as of recently. (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 Done. El_C 00:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
seems people keep appearing, care to protect also World Dream and Costa Luminosa?. (talk) 04:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm looking into it — monitoring closely. El_C 04:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Upon further considerations,  Done, both. El_C 04:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

Hello, El C. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Gtoffoletto (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Gtoffoletto, I'm sorry, but I am too busy to attend to complex interpersonal disputes at this time. My suggestion to you is to draft well-documented report, to be submitted at the admin noticeboard. Sorry again — these are unprecedented time, which greatly limits my attention. Best of luck in finding an amicable resolution to the dispute. El_C 20:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I perfectly understand. Be safe. --Gtoffoletto (talk) 20:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Religion in Albania RfC[edit]

Hi El C. Just a heads up, Khirurg has started an RfC about the disputed census. As the protection nears its expiry, could you please keep an eye on the article. Given that last time the edit-warring started about 15 minutes after unprotection, even with the RfC ongoing, I'm not very optimistic about the prospects of another edit-war not erupting soon after the upcoming unprotection. Thank you. Dr. K. 20:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dr.K. Sorry, no-can-do. I am simply too busy to followup in the normal way. As such, I simply extended the protection by 30 days to run concurrent with today's RfC. And it may be extended further until the RfC is closed and the dispute resolved. Any other admin is welcome to step in (without needing to consult me in any way whatsoever), if they can find the time to attend to this. But if not, that is where it's at. Best wishes for your health and safety at these unparalleled times, El_C 20:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi El C. Thank you for your kind wishes. I also wish you and yours the best health and safety. Sorry for the disturbance, and thank you for all you have done in general, and for this article in particular, and for extending the protection. Take care and stay safe. Dr. K. 20:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

semi-protect at Candidates Tournament 2020[edit]

Sorry, I could not find the correct page to request this, so I am asking you directly, since you are the editor who put the semi-protect in place. Could I request that you shorten the semi-protect time at Candidates Tournament 2020? Many anonymous IPs (presumably chess enthusiasts who do not normally edit Wikipedia) have been editing the article. They have added many useful contributions (even creating a table), almost entirely in good faith. It is true that there has been a small edit war, but it has been on a minor point. A week of semi-protect locks out anon IP edits for most of the rest of the tournament. Even though some of these edits have been a frustration to me (you can see my edits in the history) [23], I think a week is excessive. Adpete (talk) 02:26, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think a week is actually a reasonable duration — I do not find it to be too lengthy. El_C 02:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

1RR complaint about Bill Clinton at AN3[edit]

Hey El C. Please see WP:AN3#User:Scribatorian reported by User:Wow (Result: ). You did put a DS template on this article on 7 October, 2019 but this template doesn't appear to impose a 1RR. The Bill Clinton page *does* have the 1RR editnotice, but that meets only half of the requirement. Do we have to decline the 1RR complaint due to lack of {{American politics AE}} on the talk page? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ed. In my view, 1RR is in effect. And I did add Ds/talk notice|topic=ap to the talk page, so my understanding is that this satisfies the requirement. El_C 17:05, 27 March 2020 (UTC)


The general information page provides for the "hereditary monarchy" part. I thought it was non-necessary to enlist, but ok, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I just didn't understand your reasoning. Thanks for taking the time to followup. El_C 08:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Does 1RR = 3RR?[edit]

@El C: Please help me understand how WP:1RR applies specifically to 2020 Delhi riots. Obviously when an edit summary begins, as here with the words "Reverted edits by" or as here with the words "Undid revision," that constitutes 1RR. However, WP:3RR states: A series of consecutively saved reverting edits by one user, with no intervening edits by another user, counts as one revert. Does that apply as well to a page where the 1RR restriction is in place? In other words, even at 2020 Delhi riots, an editor could perform a series of consecutively saved reverting edits without exceeding 1RR, provided there were no intervening edits by another user.

On a related point, I wonder about edits where, in contrast to the above, the edit summary does not begin with the words "Reverted edits by" or "Undid revision" yet the edit is nonetheless in effect a reversion. Restoring a previous version not from the View History tab, but by clicking Edit Source and inserting or removing text directly, then saving, will not show up in the page history as a reversion but may accomplish exactly what a readily identifiable reversion would do. NedFausa (talk) 01:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, they count as a single revert (theoretically, the changes could have been done with one, single edit). As for reverts that are not indicated as such in the edit summary, you just have to demonstrate that the pertinent edit is a revert using diffs — including the previous versions reverted to. El_C 16:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add notice[edit]

Please add editnotice like this:

to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United Kingdom article. Thanks

 Done. El_C 16:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Abusive edit summary by an IP[edit]

Hello, Can something be done about this edit summary by an IP [24]. Thanks!--Ermenrich (talk) 13:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

They said basically the same thing here (better grammar) [25]. Another insult (in Russian) here: [26]--Ermenrich (talk) 14:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I've blocked the IP and revdeleted the offensive edits.But because they keep switching to different IPs, I've also protected those articles for a while. El_C 16:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks!--Ermenrich (talk) 16:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Discretionary sanction at 2020 Delhi riots[edit]

FYI. Since you have been heavily involved in guiding the editors at the page, please let me know if you have any objections or proposed modifications to my move. Pinging RegentsPark and Bradv too. Abecedare (talk) 15:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Can I say that I'm just relieved to learn you're on the case, Abecedare? Before even looking at the specifics? Well, I guess I just did! El_C 16:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Well, I should do something once in a while to earn my hefty admin paycheck.:)
I daresay that your and other admins' oversight will continue to be needed at the article, although I hope that "no edits without clear consensus" will be easier to monitor than having to count the number and pace of reverts and judge their revert-iness. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 16:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Abecedare, I agree, and thanks for handling this. "No changes to the lead without consensus" seems to me like an appropriate restriction for this article. – bradv🍁 16:39, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Unprotection of Timeline of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in March 2020[edit]

I have moved Timeline of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in March 2020, which you protected indefinitely, to Chronology of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in March 2020 per a split discussion. Can you unprotect the redirect when you have the time, as it does not need protection any more. Danski454 (talk) 23:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Why? Why does it matter? El_C 00:19, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
It's not that important, but I don't feel the redirect should be indefinitely protected. Danski454 (talk) 08:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Well, I do. The redirect is still widely used, so I'm not inclined to unprotect it at this time. El_C 13:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Misleading and unsourced edits[edit]

there has been ongoing edits with lots of new people on Grandeur of the Seas and possibly also Ovation of the Seas with their unsourced edits on the ships, pls protect to avoid misleading info. thank you. (talk) 00:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 00:44, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected required for Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data[edit]

Indefinite Extended-confirmed-protection required for Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data. It seems that protection is expired. Lot of vandalism has started. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 16:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:AN discussion I had with you[edit]

All the files that were originally uploaded by User:Guiding light and User:McChizzle were transferred by me to commons you can delete them now.--Hippymoose17 (talk) 18:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

There's so many! Still Doing... El_C 18:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
You can just WP:NUKE them :)--Hippymoose17 (talk) 18:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Gah! Next time. All  Done, though, I think. El_C 18:43, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Well, you haven't deleted this guy's photos.--Hippymoose17 (talk) 20:03, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, now  Done. El_C 20:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Unconstructive editing on 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Ontario[edit]

Hello! I've been noticing that there are many people (mainly IPs) changing the case number even though the official source doesn't confirm the change. May you watch the page for potential vandalism and semi-protect the article if nessecary? Username6892 20:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Username6892, I'm already watching all of the state and province articles, but I am wary to protect any of them at this time. I considered protecting 2020 coronavirus pandemic in New York (state) a while back, but thought better of it. From what I see, these articles are well-watched. I know I've been going in a bit of one direction with the country and main topics of the virus articles in terms of protection (pro-active), while going in the other direction with respect to the local articles, but it just feels, intuitively, that this is what we should be doing at this time. That said, if it starts getting really bad, please let me know — if it has to be protected, it has to be protected, regardless of some formula. El_C 20:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
another ip appears and edited with unsourced/inaccurate counts on 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Ontario and RV Polarstern aswell. (talk) 00:46, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Stop x nuvola with clock.svg User(s) blocked. El_C 01:03, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Vandal on the run[edit]

Please look at his edit history and act quick. Thank you. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, escalated warning. El_C 20:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Wow, that was fast. Thank you Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


I just transfered an entire category to commons! So can you do a favor and delete the redundant images please? Thanks--Hippymoose17 (talk) 21:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a bit busy elsewhere. Perhaps someone else can pick up the slack there...? El_C 21:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Anytime--Hippymoose17 (talk) 21:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

File:SADP gapfill for edge material removal.png[edit]

Hi El C. Not a big deal, since the deletion was correct, but WP:CSD#F1 only applies to local duplicates. The criterion to use for enwp files duplicating a Commons file is WP:CSD#F8. Regards, FASTILY 01:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks, I stand corrected (theme of the day!). El_C 01:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Arbpia rules[edit]

Do I have it wrong? I have been reading Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles as meaning non-confirmeds cannot create, viz "This exception does not apply to other internal project discussions such as AfDs, WikiProjects, RfCs, noticeboard discussions, etc."Selfstudier (talk) 14:56, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I stand corrected (yet again!). El_C 15:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)