User talk:MilHistBot

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MilHistBot and Devon County War Memorial[edit]

I was idly browsing when I noticed that MilHistBot seems to have missed a few steps in closing the ACR for Devon County War Memorial. It made eight edits closing the ACR before, but only six for that one. Courtesy ping for @Hawkeye7: so he can look into the technical stuff. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:58, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

The Bot was having troubling figuring out who the nominator was. Normally, the nominator card looks like this:
:<small>''Nominator(s): [[User:Kges1901|Kges1901]] ([[User talk:Kges1901|talk]])''</small>
but this one looked like this:
<small>''Nominator(s):'' [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]]</small>
The misplaced pair of quotes was all it took for the Bot to throw its hands up in the air. I have enhanced the bot's error reporting, made its parsing of the nominator card more permissive, and run the script to complete closing the nomination. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: There is a similar issue with closing of Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/List of National Defence Academy alumni, it missed of the steps, such as; A-class medal eligibility tracking, article alerts December 2016 etc. Please check for the error. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 10:19, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Same problem, but in this case it read:
<small>''Nominator(s): {{u|Krishna Chaitanya Velaga}}''</small>
Told the Bot to accept this format. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Military Historian of the Year[edit]

WikiprojectBarnstar.png The WikiProject Barnstar
For "... saving us and our fingers from the agony of a 45-60 minute manual closure of A-Class reviews", I have the honor of presenting you with this WikiProject Barnstar. For the Military history WikiProject, TomStar81 (Talk) 09:33, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
@Hawkeye7: Rather like Spock, your bot has no pride which can swell for having earned the barnstar, so you'll have to play the role of Captain Kirk and be proud for its achievement :) TomStar81 (Talk) 09:33, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Removal of GANs from Template:WPMILHIST Announcements[edit]

G'day Hawkeye7, the bot seems to have removed all the GANs. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:21, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. There was a problem on 23 March. Kirill Lokshin restored the template, and then the Bot edit was okay on 24 March. I'll keep an eye on it. The Bot actually regenerates the whole list every time, although it looks like it is doing a regular add/remove edit. It may have been one of those transient "database down" errors, and I may have to teach the Bot how to handle them. Hawkeye7 (talk) 05:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
The Bot error report said: "Server has reported lag above the configure max_lag value of 5 value after 1 attempt(s). Last reported lag was - Waiting for 10.64.16.76: 30.858206033707 seconds lagged." So the error was a transient one. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Query[edit]

Hi Hawkeye, not sure what is going on with this edit by the bot...? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hawkeye7, this appears to be continuing with another award to Harry which hasn't posted right. See the lack of award post in response to this. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Still happening. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:39, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Working on it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:25, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Resolved: The wrong call was being made to the new template parser} Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Hawkeye7 thanks for getting on to this so quickly. There's the award nom for Harry as well (above). But if we're ok now, I might just do that manually? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:21, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
I've added the nomination manually. We may have another bug. The Bot reported it done properly. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:41, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Ordered an impromptu bot run. All looks good. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:59, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

2018 Military Historian of the Year[edit]

WikiprojectBarnstar.png 2018 Military Historian of the Year
As voted by your human underlings within the Military history WikiProject, I hereby award you the WikiProject Barnstar for being nominated for the 2018 Military Historian of the Year Award. Congratulations, and thank you for your botting in 2018. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:18, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Extra pipe[edit]

Hi Hawkeye. The bot seems to have inserted an extra "|" in {{Wikipedia:Featured article tools}} in this edit, causing a duplicate "1" parm error. Of course, that page is not supposed to be edited, so the error wouldn't be seen, but it shows up in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. Davemck (talk) 16:21, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

It was spotted straight away and corrected. I had assumed that it was harmless, but have now corrected the affected pages too. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:30, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Project news medal postings[edit]

Hi Hawkeye, just observed something that could do with a tweak. When posting A-Class crosses to the Project news page, could Milhistbot place the ACCs above the Diamonds? Also, if it could use the ACC file rather than the ACM file for the attendant icon? I've fixed next month's ones. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:36, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay. I have added the required instructions to the awards run. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:43, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:15, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Minor Milhistbot glitches re Bugle[edit]

G'day Hawkeye7, it seems Milhistbot is posting Oak Leaves awards to on Project News of the upcoming issue using the wrong image file name? It should be using File:WPMH ACR (Oakleaves).png. Also it seems to be posting them in a strange order, with oak leaves being posted above medals, but with diamonds at the bottom. I assume Nick and Ian have to make these minor adjustments, and I know there aren't major, but it would probably help them if Milhistbot was tweaked. I assume the order should be medals, oakleaves, swords, diamonds, crosses? In the interests of continuous improvement, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Resolved: Both problems addressed. Hopefully it will be work properly now. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Missing full stop[edit]

G'day Hawkeye, when Milhistbot awards ACMs etc, would you be able to add a full stop after the list of articles and before the signature is inserted? Thanks mate, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

While you're at it, could you drop the extra blank line above new nominations? Must be doing a pretty good job if this is all I have to quibble about. Thanks again, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Added the full stop. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Minor quibble[edit]

G'day Hawkeye, I noticed an anomaly in the listing of Sturm's Diamonds on the tally page, it had counted two of the same award (for the same articles) for October 2018, which had Sturm at 15 Diamonds, when he is actually at 14. I've fixed it manually, but just checking that the bot isn't relying on this in any way. I believe Sturm has one more Diamonds before moving to Crosses? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:51, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

it had also listed them out of chronological order for some reason, putting 2016 awards above the 2015 ones. I also fixed that manually. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:52, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
The Bot doesn't do the archiving. It is done manually. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:05, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Doesn't the bot list approved awards at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/ACM? This is not about archiving, it is about the awards page. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 11:07, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it updates that. I will investigate what happened in October 2018. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:10, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Bots need kittens too!!! Face-smile.svg

Coolabahapple (talk) 07:03, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Antoine Hamilton and Claud Hamilton[edit]

Dear Hawkeye7. I noticed two recent ratings by MilHistBot of articles to which I contributed. The articles are Antoine Hamilton and Claud Hamilton, 4th Earl of Abercorn, 17th-century Irish biographies both. It is great to be rated. Both articles were rated class=C|b1=no|b2=yes|b3=yes|b4=yes|b5=yes. The latter was promoted from Start to C-Class. Wonderful! I think automation is the only answer for the backlog on ratings of pre-A level articles. If I understand it right, you wrote this great tool. Thank you very much! You did Wikipedia a great service. Please allow me a question: why did the articles fail the "b1"-test? If I understand it right, "b1" is referencing (why is it called "b1"?). I think both articles are well referenced. "Antoine" has 84 footnotes and 40 sources. "Claud" has 23 footnotes and 13 sources. The sources are mainly books found in Internet Archive. The citations typically are marked in the text using the "sfn" template and the sources are described using the "citation" template in the list under "Notes and references". The "sfn" typically includes a URL and a quote. The "citation" typically gives a full bibliographic description including page numbers (columns and lines if needed) and URLs. What do I do wrong? What should I do to make these articles pass "b1"? With many thanks Johannes Schade (talk) 11:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

The Bot performs what would be my own first pass, which is to check that every paragraph ends with a reference. It found that they do not. For example, three of the last four paragraphs in Antoine Hamilton do not. To pass the b1, references are required for these facts. The C rating says that the article is well referenced, but not fully referenced. Add the additional citations and you can list the articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests for review by a human. (FWIW, the Bot thinks highly of the article.) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:37, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Dear Hawkeye7. Thank you very much for the quick reply and explanation. I read the A-Class FAQ (WP:MH/A?) and found the requirement for a reference at the end of each paragraph there. This is easy to check but I am not sure that it really makes sense. I got another article Frederick Hamilton (soldier) rated today. MH is such a well organised and active project! I think other projects also should use your bot. Kind regards Johannes Schade (talk) 10:20, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Repeated entry[edit]

Parsecboy (39)[edit]

A-Class cross for: Liberté-class battleship, Liberté-class battleship, Liberté-class battleship, Liberté-class battleship, and Liberté-class battleship

  • Support As nominator Zawed (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 12:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Oppose. We've got a screw up here as it's counted the same single article five times.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:06, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
      • Ah, this glitch is for you, Hawkeye7. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
        Hmmm... what if we just give him the award anyway? Okay, I'll investigate... Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
        @Peacemaker67: My apologies. I accidentally deleted a line of instruction (to delete the entry from the nomination page). This has been restored. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:03, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
        No worries. So, Parsecboy should just have one on the ACC tally page? Is that right? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
      • Yes. I've fixed all the other pages. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Update user page please?[edit]

Hi. Could the bot's user page be updated to include info on the recent B-class checklist task? I had to do quite a bit of digging to find the BRFA and discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators. By the way, where should questions and feedback regarding the bot's B-class assessment be directed? --Paul_012 (talk) 07:54, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Pages truncated[edit]

There seems to be an error where the bot is truncating talk pages, e.g. Special:Diff/926094324 and Special:Diff/926092712. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

This is still happening; see Special:Diff/926252508. Hawkeye7, perhaps this should be sorted out before the work continues? --Paul_012 (talk) 21:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Already halted. I have a fix prepared that addresses the problem. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:24, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hintata[edit]

Hey Hawkeye7, Was this a good automatic assessment of this bot? What are the criteria of a B-class? Regards -TheseusHeLl (talk) 18:01, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

The five criteria are laid out in the template:
  • B1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points have appropriate inline citations.
  • B2. It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.
  • B3. It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content.
  • B4. It is free from major grammatical errors.
  • B5. It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams.
B1 is assessed by the fact that the article is fully referenced. All five appear to be met, so the Bot (and most humans, including myself) would assess the article as B class. Note that the Bot only steps in when the article has not already been assessed. Feel free to override it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Auto B-class[edit]

Hi, the bot changed start-class rating to B-class here. The article is a stub and it's already generous to consider it a start-class. Renata (talk) 22:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

The article cannot be a stub, because it has an infobox, sections and references. That makes it a start at minimum. I have reassessed it as C class, based on its lack of coverage. This sort of thing is hard for the Bot to evaluate. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:43, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Actually, it's pretty easy to evaluate -- readable prose is under 900 bytes. Renata (talk) 13:04, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Collateral damage[edit]

A recent edit by this bot of Talk:Mine clearance organization removed most of one of the sections, leaving a partial section heading. See this diff. RockMagnetist(talk) 05:42, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that report. The error was caused by bad markup on the page, and the Bot recieved instructions on dealing with these cases. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:45, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Missed ACR in ACM eligibility tracker[edit]

My successful co-nom for Soviet cruiser Kalinin has been missed by Milhistbot on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/ACM/Eligibility tracking, which shows two ACRs even though I should be entitled to another if Kalinin were counted. Kges1901 (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Francisco Bouligny[edit]

Hi, I'm just trying to understand MilHistBot's criteria for citations. Francisco Bouligny was rated as C class with only the "referencing and citation" criterion not met for B class. I'm pretty sure every fact/statement in the article is well sourced, using citation tags, to biographies, academic articles, and other reliable sources, so I'm just trying to understand what might be missing. Thanks. Carter (talk) 15:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Carter. Looks like you missed one. I have marked it up in the article. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Gog the Mild; I connected the source for that. Carter (talk) 14:59, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Upgraded to B class. Nice article. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Carter (talk) 16:40, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Quarterly reviewing awards[edit]

G'day Hawkeye, can you release the quarterly reviewing awards run please? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:57, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Odd inclusion on the MILHIST Announcements template[edit]

Hi Hawkeye, Milhistbot keeps adding Argentinosaurus to the MILHIST Announcements template for FACs. I took a look and couldn't see why this is happening. Any ideas? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm. I see the problem. I will create a fix. (I note in passing that the FACBot has the same problem, and would have added it to the Showcase and the Bugle if it had been promoted.) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Resolved: Fix applied Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks mate. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Checking something[edit]

G'day Hawkeye, just checking that when Parsecboy gets his next ACC (which will be with Oak Leaves), that Milhistbot knows where to post it on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Awards/ACC? I've created a subsection there in anticipation. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:26, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Doc Hiram repeated reversion[edit]

For the fourth time, I have corrected this bot's assessment of Hiram "Doc" Jones. The bot assesses the page as failing the project's b1 criterion, claiming that the article is not "suitably referenced, and all major points have appropriate inline citations." — Fourthords | =Λ= | 01:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

The Bot had the mission of filling in the checklists. By clearing the checklist, you asked the Bot to re-assess the article. I have filled in the checklist, and the problem will not recur. I will investigate why it believes (incorrectly) that the article is not fully sourced. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your help! I'm not allowed to rate article's I've written as "b-class", so I couldn't fill out the checklist correctly myself. Whenever I reverted before, I didn't have the time to make this comment here, and I was just hoping that the bot had a trigger of "if undone, do not do again". Thanks again! — Fourthords | =Λ= | 01:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Minor tweak needed[edit]

Hi Hawkeye, Milhistbot placed Sturm's awarded ACC in the ACC with Oak leaves section per [1]. Might need a little tweak? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:25, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Resolved: This took a while to find. It ran all the test cases. The problem only occurred if your name would be the last one on the list.
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:38, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Hawkeye! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Query for Milhistbot[edit]

Hi Hawkeye7, I noticed that Milhistbot is listing some GARs twice. Can this be fixed? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Resolved: It is trying too hard. Have implemented a fix.
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:37, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Art Tomassetti and Chuck Wilson (pilot)[edit]

Hello. I am trying to understand why MilHistBot rated Art Tomassetti and Chuck Wilson (pilot) as C class due to citations. In the past, this occurred when a paragraph ended without a reference but that doesn’t seem to be the case here that I can find. Is there a log file that can be reviewed? I think MilHistBot is a great tool. It might be improved by including reasons for failures. Good work automating a tedious process! Skeet Shooter (talk) 14:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

There is a log, but it just contains what articles were checked and what ratings were awarded. To find out why, I have to run with a debug flag on. This revealed that the problem was a section ending with a table. I have adjusted the rules, and Bot now assesses both articles as B class. While the humans check articles better than the Bot, the backlogs had grown too great for the reduced numbers of volunteers. The ones assessed as B class are double-checked though. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Understood and thank you, Hawkeye7. Skeet Shooter (talk) 01:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Overriding manual assessments[edit]

Is it possible to prevent this from happening? I don't know if the bot did it because I left one of the criteria empty, but it shouldn't be re-rating articles rated as something other than stub or start-class unless it has very good reasons to do so (and there's only a hundred or so which are not assessed so its not like the backlog is too great at the moment)... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:29, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

The only reason why the backlog is so small is because the Bot has processed several thousand of them. I can adjust it so it does not deal with C class articles. Had you changed the criterion to "no" instead of leaving it blank, the Bot would have left it alone. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:29, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Mis-rating of new articles[edit]

The Bot seems to be mis-rating new, stub and start class, articles as C-Class. See Talk:Klewang-class fast attack craft for instance. New article from a relatively new editor, but the article itself is firmly a "Start" at this time:

  • HTML document size: 50 kB
  • Prose size (including all HTML code): 1663 B
  • References (including all HTML code): 10 kB
  • Wiki text: 5903 B
  • Prose size (text only): 1020 B (164 words) "readable prose size"
  • References (text only): 4574 B

I suspect something is off here. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 03:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Looks okay to me. I suspect you think that it does not cover the subject in sufficient depth to meet criterion b2 (" reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies"). This is assessed using Ores, which returned a C rating. Do you think I should automatically fail b2 if the readable prose size is less than 1,500 characters (the DYK minimum)? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)I reckon that is actually a really good rule-of-thumb. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:11, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Yes, I think DYK size ratings are a minimum for a C. And all the DYK criteria for a B. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 05:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Okay. I have taught the Bot to count characters as well as words. B2 will be automatically marked as no if there are less than 1,500 characters of prose in the article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Hawkeye! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you kindly, sir. BTW, thanks for your all work on the pedia, too. Regards, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 04:32, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Milhistbot tweak?[edit]

G'day Hawkeye, could you tweak Milhistbot so that it alphabetises the active member list each month when it runs? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

mis labelling with task forces[edit]

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Neither russia, nor biography Staszek Lem (talk) 04:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Blanking instructs the Bot to assess it again. Looked at it, and does seem to fall under the Russian/CIS task force. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

HMS TB 23 (1907) and B1[edit]

Is the B1 rating on HMS TB 23 (1907) correct - everything seems to be sourced to reliable sources.Nigel Ish (talk) 10:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

The Bot has been upgraded recently, and I've run it against the article again. It now gives it a B rating. I suspect the problem was note b. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)