User talk:Polyamorph

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Tried - and failed - to move "Live streaming" to "Livestreaming"[edit]

Hi. I noticed you reverted my edit to a redirect page. That was something I was trying to do - and it failed... and I could use some help. On the page Live streaming, with a space, another editor had gone through and changed all occurrences of "live streaming" to "livestreaming" (no space) based on current notation in dictionaries. However, the title of the page was still "Live streaming" (with a space). So what I was attempting to do was to move the page to "Livestreaming" so that it all aligned correctly.

However, I knew there was *already* a redirect from "Livestreaming" to "Live streaming". So, following what I could see on WP:PAGEMOVE, I first attempted to change the "Livestreaming" page (that only had a redirect) to "Livestreaming (original)", thinking this would then allow me to move "Live streaming" to "Livestreaming". However, Wikipedia then went and "helped" me by creating a NEW redirect of "Livestreaming" to "Livestreaming (original)" - which was NOT what I wanted. At that point, I didn't want to mess anything up... so I went to the new redirect for "Livestreaming" and changed the redirect to point to "Live streaming" ... and so everything was working again.

In the end, all I want to do is move Live streaming to Livestreaming. Any suggestions on how to make this happen would be welcome. Thanks - Dyork (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Dyork:. First thing we need to move Livestreaming (original) back to Livestreaming. Then we need to do a round-robin swap of Live streaming to Livestreaming. I've requested a speedy deletion of Livestreaming so we can move Livestreaming (original) back to it but still waiting for an admin to do this. To do the round-robin swap you need the page mover user right to move a page without leaving behind a redirect. I have this and so can do the move once an admin completes the requested speedy deletion. Polyamorph (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi @Dyork: the move has now been completed preserving the original edit history, Livestreaming (original) will be deleted soon. Cheers, Polyamorph (talk) 13:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi @Polyamorph: - Very cool! Thanks for doing that.. and thanks for cluing me in that there is an additional user right (that I don't have). Many thanks! - Dyork (talk) 02:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
No worries @Dyork:, you might want to apply for the user right yourself if you think you can help over at WP:RM. Happy editing Polyamorph (talk) 10:36, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 January 2021[edit]


Hi Polyamorph,

I discussed this topic with John B123, and they told me on my talk page: "Another reviewer has had a look. Their opinion was that your version[1] was poorly sourced and eligible for deletion per WP:G4. However the charting single would go someway towards meeting WP:NBAND if a suitable citation was added. If you want to develop the article by adding further references then that's fine. I would suggest you add the {{in use}} template whilst you are working on it to advise others you are still working on it. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 17:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)"

I put the {{in use}} template on the page while I'm developing the page, isn't it correct? --Vimoral2 (talk) 11:43, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

You used the template incorrectly, you need to remove the "tl|" part to use the template on an article page. Polyamorph (talk) 13:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Revert at Lung Kong[edit]

Hi, I see you have reverted my edit at Lung Kong. However, I want to point out that "Lung Kong" is a romanisation of the Chinese name (龍剛) of Patrick Lung. You can take a look at the title of this HKSAR government press release (text is in English). ~ Ase1estet@lkc0ntribs 10:02, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Aseleste:, there was no indication of this in the target page and I was concerned given that this is a BLP that is was inappropriate. If the article is modified to contain sourced reference to this name, then a disambiguation might then be appropriate. Cheers Polyamorph (talk) 12:29, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
I believe this recent change should make it obvious to the reader that "Lung Kong" is an alternative name apart from the info box. (side note, the person in question is not living) ~ Ase1estet@lkc0ntribs 12:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Ah, OK, my mistake regarding BLP. I will restore the DAB page. Cheers, Polyamorph (talk) 13:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Ritva Redirect / Article[edit]

Hi Polyamorph, I changed the "Ritva" redirect to a disambiguation page. You commented in your revision, that (presumybly my change) "breaks multiple pages linking here". Is ther a way to find out those links? so that I could change those links to the correct site and restore the disambiguation? Thanks! (talk) 11:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I did not make that comment, you'll have to ask Lithopsian (talk · contribs) about that. But regardless, you cannot have a disambiguation page with only one wikilink, which was the reason for my revert. Polyamorph (talk) 12:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Specifically about existing links to an article: in the sidebar (on the left in the common Vector page theme, but possibly elsewhere on other themes and possibly in a menu) there is a link called "What links here". Click the link and it will take you to a page showing all articles with wikilinks to that page, and some options for filtering the results. Note that it will not show you urls from outside Wikipedia which may also exist, these are almost impossible to detect although page usage may show if there are a significant number of external hits to an article (except redirects, which are generally only counted as hits to the target article). Consider that changing a redirect to a disambiguation page is effectively the same as taking a page on one subject and overwriting it with a different subject. You should take care to, at a minimum, chase down wikilinks to that page and fix them because you just broke them. Consider if there are likely to be external urls to the page, especially likely when it has had a particular form for many years, and consider not changing it at all if you're going to wreck them also. Consider that multiple existing wikilinks (expecting the current page contents, or the target of a redirect) may mean the page is best left as it is. On the other hand, existing wikilinks expecting a different or mixed page meanings can be a very good reason to create a dab page. Lastly, consider the policy at WP:NAMELIST: "articles on people should be listed at the disambiguation page for their first or last name only if they are reasonably well known by it", so only convert to a dab page if there are multiple entries for people known solely as Ritva and there is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I am dubious that two out of the three people you listed fit this criterion, although you could also consider a WP:HATNOTE if there is a small possibility of searching for some of those people solely by their first name. Lithopsian (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, both! And sorry @Polyamorph: for misreading the history and putting it onto your talk page @Lithopsian:: I would consider changing those 14 internal wiki links to the specific article away from the redirect page. External links I can not control of course, but I would say, this is the risk of linking to sites that they change - and the repective article can be still found (as well on the first position) on the dab-page then. Of course, if you see some reasons against this, please let me know, then I can save the effort :-) (talk) 13:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)



I noticed that the Pukka Herbs page was redirecting to our Master company Unilever, but we want to have a brand page of our own, as we operate separately to Unilever.

I am the Digital Lead at Pukka and we have an issue with our website being impacted by the wrong information on Wiki, so I removed the redirect and entered in the information about our brand, but saw that you reinstated the old redirect. Is there something I did wrong? Happy to validate my job role.

Thanks, Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pukkaherbshq (talkcontribs) 14:31, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

The very fact that you are associated with the company tells me you have a conflict of interest as as such you should avoid editing articles relating to your company. Regarding my edit, I did not remove the content about your company, I simply fixed a circular redirect. Polyamorph (talk) 14:35, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Humane Colombia[edit]

Didn't realise it had been a cut and paste move, so no problem with reverting my edits. Should I remove the speedy deletion tag if I request a merge? Richard3120 (talk) 20:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Just seen you've requested the merge yourself while I was writing the above – thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@Richard3120: Actually, sorry, I'm not sure it is a cut/paste move after all. See my second null edit where I explain in my edit summary, I think I made a mistake there. But in any case, just so things are done properly, I've made the merge proposal. Polyamorph (talk) 20:59, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
No problem – better to make sure it's done properly, anyway. Richard3120 (talk) 21:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)