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Conn Smythe Trophy on 2019–20 NHL season[edit]

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Regarding your reversion of my edit on the 2019–20 NHL season to add information about the voting history of the Conn Smythe Trophy. Per the article, which was added as a reference to edit, there is an included chart which specifically lists the ballot totals and indicates who received the 2nd most points. Hence, that person, is the "runner up". While no runners up are listed on the trophy itself, it is notable information to have in the article.

If a source can be provided specifically stating that there is not a runner up, then please adjust the article appropriate. Otherwise, my edit stands and should remain in the article.

— MrDolomite • Talk 17:01, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@MrDolomite: Source or no source, but the consensus is not to list any supposed runner-ups. – Sabbatino (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Ok, then per your logic, please remove ALL "runners up" from the table on 2019–20 NHL season and on all other NHL season pages. Also, please provide a link to the consensus from WP:HOCKEY or another page to support these edits. — MrDolomite • Talk 15:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
@MrDolomite: I see that you have no idea about NHL awards so I will try to explain it to you. The Conn Smythe Trophy is a playoffs' award and it has no runner-ups. The NHL simply announce the winner after the last Stanley Cup Finals game is played (2019–20 Hedman). All other individual awards are for regular season (Frank J. Selke Trophy, Hart Memorial Trophy, etc.) and finalists are announced until the regular season's end. For example, the 2019–20 Hart Memorial Trophy finalists – Draisaitl (team's press release), MacKinnon (team's press release), Panarin (team's press release), NHL press release; and winner – Draisaitl (team's press release), NHL press release. But not all regular season awards have runner-ups (Mark Messier Leadership Award, Lester Patrick Trophy (the winner is announced when the next season starts)) and the NHL does not make any announcements about finalists for these awards (Mark Messier Leadership Award (NHL press release), Lester Patrick Trophy (NHL press release).
It is best to ask at WT:NHL when you have certain questions about things that could impact many pages. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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Klay Thompson[edit]

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I mistakenly said there was already a talk discussion on Klay being Catholic, but that was inaccurate. The user who removed the addition gave no explanation for it, and was primarily trying to remove one of the categories. There is a talk discussion about that, though. natemup (talk) 15:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Natemup: Where is the supposed discussion? Because I cannot find it at Talk:Klay Thompson. In addition, you ought to read WP:BRD, which specifically states that you must not reinstate the content if your additions have been reverted (it has already been reverted five times so you are subject to WP:EW). – Sabbatino (talk) 15:17, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
The discussion was about whether Klay is African American.
This was what the original reversions primarily concerned. And that user already tried to peg me for edit warring, and was told that he was not innocent in the situation. He thereafter ceased reverting or "discussing".
And again, BRD is not a Wikipedia policy. It's a recommendation, and one that was not followed even with the original reversion. natemup (talk) 15:22, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@Natemup: The discussion about him being/not being African-American has nothing to do with him being/not being Catholic. The source that you originally added does not justify of him being a Catholic, because he did not say it himself. In addition, WP:BRD is the agreed procedure when dealing with content dispute. I advise you to start a discussion at Klay Thompson's talk page, because content disputes are discussed at subject's talk page. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Concerning actual Wikipedia *policy*, we're here to add claims from verifiable sources, not attempt to justify anything. Again, the BRD page clearly states that it is not a policy and that it is optional. Also, a verifiable source does not have to be from the horse's mouth.
Moreover, I fully agree that him being African-American has nothing to do with him being Catholic. You'll notice in the edit history on the page that I added the claim as well as a category, both of which were reverted together without explanation. When I undid the reversion, a dispute began concerning his ethnicity, but not his religion. Which is why the claim about him being Catholic remained. natemup (talk) 15:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Note that you do not have to break 3RR to be edit warring. 3RR is a bright line, but you can be edit warring with fewer reverts. 331dot (talk) 17:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
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Number of Super Bowl wins[edit]

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Regarding the revert of my change over at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_champions#Super_Bowl_wins_by_team - what do you mean by "All this can easily change if the Patriots or Steelers win the Super Bowl in next year"? Of course it can, everything on the page can change when any team wins again, that's why it can be edited once it changes - and while the stat stands, it can be included, because it is interesting and relevant piece of info (and placed unintrusively in a footnote). Once it is no longer true, it can be updated or removed. I believe that's why pages can be edited in time, it makes no sense to remove a stat now, just because it can change later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peepay (talkcontribs) 13:02, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@Peepay: Such information should be included at Tom Brady or Super Bowl LV but not at List of Super Bowl champions, which is about all the Super Bowl games (not to mention the inclusion of such note in unrelated tables). – Sabbatino (talk) 16:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Moved to User talk:Peepay#Sabbatino's talk page

@DB1729 and Peepay: I want to remind both of you that this is not a forum per WP:TALKNO. In addition, if both of you wish to continue this discussion then go to Talk:List of Super Bowl champions and discuss it there. I want to also remind Peepay that the page in question and Wikipedia in general is not meant to include irrelevant trivia. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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