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AutoEd-assisted edit broke an ISBN?[edit]

I don't know how an AutoEd script could break an ISBN, but this edit broke two ISBNs, removing a digit in each case. Maybe the ISBNs were edited manually. Please check your tools. (And stop removing hyphens from ISBNs, please.)– Jonesey95 (talk) 05:50, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

You are right -- my own editing busted the ISBNs. Thanks for fixing the errors. I will be more careful IOT keep my error rate at a minimum. – S. Rich (talk) 07:06, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2020[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
  • The request for comment seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure closed with wide-spread support for an alternative desysoping procedure based on community input. No proposed process received consensus.

Technical news

  • Twinkle now supports partial blocking. There is a small checkbox that toggles the "partial" status for both blocks and templating. There is currently one template: {{uw-pblock}}.
  • When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [1]


  • Following a recent arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators that checkuser and oversight blocks must not be reversed or modified without prior consultation with the checkuser or oversighter who placed the block, the respective functionary team, or the Arbitration Committee.


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WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors 2019 Annual Report[edit]

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Our 2019 Annual Report is now ready for review.


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Copy editing request[edit]

Hello, quite recently you performed a copy edit in Vilnius, however I recently rewritten the "Demographics" section of this article from a very poorly written, referenced one. Though, since English is not my native language - I might have made some grammar or structure mistakes, so it would be very appreciated if you could check this section as a native speaker of English. Vilnius is capital of one of the European Union countries, so I think this article is of high importance and must be of high quality. -- Pofka (talk) 21:32, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Pofka: I did some fixes. Take a look see what you think. I can do more if you ask. (My family's Lutheran Church in California had a Lithuanian ex-pat as a member. He escaped shortly after WWII.) – S. Rich (talk) 22:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Srich32977: Thanks, my biggest concern is grammar/style because sometimes I really mess up something due to the completely different languages. I rewritten the whole "Demographics" section recently (including "Historic ethnic makeup" subsection). Is everything alright in the "Historic ethnic makeup" subsection? California is one of the main Lithuanian ex-pat centers in the USA, along with New York and Chicago. Probably most of these Californian Lithuanians started their journeys in New York/Chicago as well, but later moved to California (likely due to a pleasant climate). Popular Lithuanian singer and active independence movement supporter Vytautas Kernagis even written a song about California, which was extremely popular in the 90s when we just regained independence, some of the lyrics are: "Tau burnoje ištirpsta žodis Kalifornia. Lyg būtum taip toli nuo Lietuvos. Juk Kalifornijoj merginos smagus ir linksmas vynas. O Kalifornijoj saulėtas dangus" (translation: The word California dissolves in your mouth. As if you were so far from Lithuania. After all, girls and wine in California are cheerful. And California has a sunny sky;recording from 1995: :D -- Pofka (talk) 11:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020[edit]

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Hello Srich32977,

Source Guide Discussion

The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.


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Category:Art by animals has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Art by animals, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 16 February 2020 (UTC)


14 February
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Alte Liebe

Thank you for improving Nocturnes (Debussy) while the principal author is sadly blocked, and a late "Valentine" to good relations ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit of Nocturnes (Debussy)[edit]

See this edit. The state code for Connecticut is CT, not CN. Jmar67 (talk) 06:06, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed! Thanks so very much. – S. Rich (talk) 06:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Changes to citation template parameters[edit]

Srich32977, you've once again changed a citation template from cite web to cite book, even though the citation in question is to a website and not a book [2]. Can you undertake to be more careful with semi-automated scripts? Vanamonde (Talk) 00:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Is there a problem with the bot? Both template versions – cite web and cite book – render exactly the same. The reader clicking the citation link gets the same result no matter which template is used. Distinction without a difference applies. In any event I try to preview the effort to catch actual errors – S. Rich (talk) 01:11, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

They do not render the same.

  • Cite web: "A wizard of Earthsea: Inglis, Rob, Le Guin, Ursula K." Toronto Public Library. Retrieved August 29, 2016.
  • Cite book: A wizard of Earthsea: Inglis, Rob, Le Guin, Ursula K. Toronto Public Library. Retrieved August 29, 2016.

Note the italics for the title in Cite book. The HTML cite and span tags that accompany and wrap the citation data also indicate whether the source is a web source or a book source. External citation tools like Zotero use this metadata to determine what type of source is being cited. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:58, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Quite right. My error. However, MOS:ITALICTITLE says we should italicize book titles – because A Wizard of Earthsea is a book it should get italics. After all, the TPL is giving us a link to the audio ebook. And if we clink lower down, in their details section, we see the ISBN and this link. Their ISBN link gives us the title "A Wizard of Earthsea" instead of "A wizard of Earthsea". So what's the fuss about? (And where is the guidance that applies to this case?) Seems that ITALICTITLE should apply – and WP:DBUG can/might help resolve problems with cases like this. PS: stuff like Zotero and metadata are beyond my gnomish mind. – S. Rich (talk) 02:26, 19 February 2020 (UTC)02:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Zotero and metadata are beyond me as well, which is why I try not to break things that I do not understand. As for your proposed title tweaks, the reason that the |title= parameter is written that way is that is the title of the web page being cited. In general, we do not change the titles of sources that we are citing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
As Jonesey says, the page being cited is a record of the book, not the book itself. The title refer to the title of the webpage, and should not therefore be italicized. I don't especially care why the bot decided this needed to be changed, but the responsibility for the edit is with the user, not the bot; I hope we don't need to go to ANI for you to be convinced of that. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: @Vanamonde93: I think I understand. We are telling the reader "In 2011, the work was produced as an unabridged recording performed by Robert Inglis.[104][105]" Footnote 105 gives us the WorldCat link (which properly contains italics) and Footnote 104 is giving us the TPL link. So, the reader learns two things: 1. that the book is in an audio format; and, 2. one of the sources of the audio format book is the TPL. (Hence we list TPL as the "publisher" in Footnote 104.) Am I correct so far? – S. Rich (talk) 21:35, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I'd say you've almost got it. The TPL web page provides basic Wikipedia:Verifiability information. The TPL web page being cited lists the name of the book, the year of publication, the format it was published in, and the name of the narrator. As such, it verifies the claims made in the previous sentence. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:49, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
So why supply the particular TPL link? After all, the WorldCat OCLC listing gives us all 248 editions, in multiple languages, years, and formats. Also, each WorldCat listing will tell us where the nearest library is. (IOW, we don't need a TPL library card to access their copy (electronic or hardback). – S. Rich (talk) 23:17, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
The only reason we would go to ANI is if you continue to maintain, as you did above, that the fault is with the script, rather than the user using it. I used both references to strengthen verifiability; where primary sources have to be used, redundancy is not a bad thing at all. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

In this case, then, we want to tell the reader that an audio version narrated by Inglis is available. Well OCLC 799120142 does just that. (And it gives us a publication date of 2009, not 2011.) – S. Rich (talk) 23:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Article improvements[edit]

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Alte Liebe
I Will Mention the Loving-kindnesses

Valentine month, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

March Madness 2020[edit]

G'day all, March Madness 2020 is about to get underway, and there is bling aplenty for those who want to get stuck into the backlog by way of tagging, assessing, updating, adding or improving resources and creating articles. If you haven't already signed up to participate, why not? The more the merrier! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC) for the coord team

Administrators' newsletter – March 2020[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
  • A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.

Technical news

  • Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.


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Please avoid misleading edit summaries[edit]

As an experienced editor, you should know better than this. Entirely deleting any mention of this part of his public life from the lede (despite it being covered in a substantial part of the article body) is not a mere "copy edit". Regards, HaeB (talk) 05:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

@HaeB: Yes, I've got some experience on WP. And the vast majority of my edits are minor. In this case I read the Christian Science Monitor article on Schultz and decided that this aspect of his life was quite minor. It was either do the "right thing" -- fully explain the edit -- or move along with the "efficient thing". I chose efficiency. But I do not regret my edit, nor my opportunity to thank you for your good catch. – S. Rich (talk) 04:16, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CLXVII, March 2020[edit]

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GOCE March newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors March 2020 Newsletter
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Hello and welcome to the March newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2019. All being well, we're planning to issue these quarterly in 2020, balancing the need to communicate widely with the avoidance of filling up talk pages. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Election results: There was little changeover in the roster of Guild Coordinators, with Miniapolis stepping down with distinction as a coordinator emeritus while Jonesey95 returned as lead coordinator. The next election is scheduled for June 2020 and all Wikipedians in good standing may participate.

January Drive: Thanks to everyone for the splendid work, completing 215 copy edits including 56 articles from the Requests page and 116 backlog articles from the target months of June to August 2019. At the conclusion of the drive there was a record low of 323 articles in the copy editing backlog. Of the 27 editors who signed up for the drive, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

February Blitz: Of the 15 editors who signed up for this one-week blitz, 13 completed at least one copy edit. A total of 32 articles were copy edited, evenly split between the twin goals of requests and the oldest articles from the copy-editing backlog. Full results are here.

March Drive: Currently underway, this event is targeting requests and backlog articles from September to November 2019. As of 18 March, the backlog stands at a record low of 253 articles and is expected to drop further as the drive progresses. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the backlog. Help set a new record and sign up now!

Progress report: As of 18 March, GOCE copyeditors have completed 161 requests in 2020 and there was a net reduction of 385 articles from the copy-editing backlog – a 60% decrease from the beginning of the year. Well done and thank you everyone!

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