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Thank you[edit]

Hi SS112, thanks for the barnstar you left on my talk page. The constructive criticism you've given over time has indeed helped out; everybody needs to show a bit more LOVE rather than HATE when it comes to that kind of thing.--Majash2020 (talk) 04:27, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Here I Come (Fergie song) single?[edit]

Hi Ss112, hope all is well with you. I have a question regarding Here I Come being either a single or a promo single. For the longest time the song has been shown as a promo single but several months ago someone had changed it, I changed it back to promo. Now a few days ago the user Status reverted it back to single with wanting a source... but the source that lists the song being released in Australia and New Zealand as a single or promo single don’t really say much at all to me. The song only charted in Australia, New Zealand, and in the US. It charted in the US on the bubbling under in 2007 but the source states 2008 for Australia... I found 2 sources that state it as a promo single but I’m not quite sure on the reliability tho, they both state it being released for Australia but in 2007. [1] [2]. Just curious on what you would recommend for this?

Thanks! Pillowdelight (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: Hey there. This is really something that needs to be hashed out at Talk:The Dutchess (as that would probably get more attention than Talk:Here I Come (Fergie song)). Maybe start a discussion there and ping Status about the page history and the sources you found. Per Wikipedia:Singles criteria, this could really go either way. I noticed just now that the prose of the article still reads "The song was released as a promotional single on January 19, 2008 to digital retailers in Australia, New Zealand, and the United States, among other territories", so whatever the case, it should be made consistent when a decision is made by consensus. Personally, I agree that on the face of it that it looks like it's mostly promotional, but I don't know many promotional singles that have spent 11 weeks on a national music chart...maybe it was released in Australia as a digital single? I noticed that there's already a section at Talk:The Dutchess#Here I Come where two users note it received airplay in Australia and was, in their opinion, the next single. That's something to note in the next discussion. Ss112 00:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Future Nostalgia[edit]

If this is about the Brazilian certifications, here is the source https://twitter.com/warnermusicbr/status/1375817131439267852?s=21. I am not sure how to add it as a source so I am open for suggestions :D. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkb0und (talkcontribs) 13:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Darkb0und: No, it was about the Portuguese chart. You changed the peak to 1, but the source only says 2. I explained this in my revert. As for the Brazilian certification, record labels are not considered reliable sources for certifications or sales. Labels cannot claim something is certified; only the certifying agency can do this themselves. Labels have historically been known to inflate sales and claim things that are unverifiable, like the sales of Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson and so on. Per WP:TWITTER, we cannot use the label to make a claim about somebody else. We can only use them as a source for uncontentious claims about themselves. Ss112 13:43, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
@Ss112: Oh, that. Here is the source: https://www.audiogest.pt/uploads/files/file_2021-04-08-15-43-27.pdf. Should be properly cited now.
@Darkb0und: GfK is not the publisher of the recognised official charts in Portugal (Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa is), so we shouldn't use their charts. Ss112 15:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
@Ss112: That information doesn't come from GfK. The heading of the file says "TOP AFP/AUDIOGEST". AFP is Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkb0und (talkcontribs) 15:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
@Darkb0und: Whatever, they're still collating the data on behalf of the AFP. Regardless, it's no use showing me these sources. You should be citing them when you add or change the information on the articles per WP:V. Users should not have to ask you where you got information from, you should be citing it in the article. If you don't know how to, sorry, but it's my view that it's not other users' responsibility to teach you—you should either know how or not do it unless you can correctly cite the external source you got it from. Ss112 15:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
@Ss112: I understand what you are saying so now the citation has been changed. The issue here had more to the with the timely update of portuguesecharts.com, the standard source for Portugal on wikipedia, than with a wrong external source. Portuguesecharts.com provides the same information as Audiogest (compare the charts for previous weeks), but the site hasn't caught up to the most recent data. Once it's updated, it will show the same rankings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkb0und (talkcontribs) 16:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
@Darkb0und: I'm well aware that portuguesecharts.com has not updated with week 13's data yet, but information needs to be verifiable at the time you add it, or you need to be 100% sure the site is imminently updating, as in within the hour, before anybody else could reasonably have an objection. As this is not one of those cases, because portuguesecharts.com is not on a regular schedule of when it updates, then you need to provide the source at the time you add it. Sorry, but WP:V this is not negotiable. Also, when leaving a talk page message, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Also, you do not need to use the "re" template for me; this is my talk page and I would be notified if you left me a message anyway. Thanks. Ss112 16:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

ARIA accreditations[edit]

Hi Ss112, do you know any source we can use here in Wikipedia for ARIA accreditations from March 2021? A lot of Celine Dion's albums got certified in March 2021 but I can't find any reliable source. Thanks in advance :) Max24 (talk) 18:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Max24: Nope, I'm not aware of any place to reliably source ARIA album certifications for albums not in the chart. Maybe ARIA will come back with a better year-by-year archive for single and album certifications, but I'm not holding my breath. Ss112 17:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)