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Michigan State–Ohio State football rivalry redux[edit]

Previously discussed here - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football/Archive_19#Michigan_State–Ohio_State_football_rivalry - and kind of inconclusive. Some recent editing at Ohio State Buckeyes football‎ caused me to revisit the page and I'm still skeptical that this qualifies. I intend to PROD it unless someone here has some other thoughts. JohnInDC (talk) 15:40, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

I recommend you AfD it instead. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:14, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
For what it's worth I'd probably support deletion if it was AfDed. A single CBS writer's spur-of-the-moment exceptional claim does not a rivalry make. The Detroit News source only vaguely suggests it's a rivalry. Lizard (talk) 03:24, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
The article needs narrative text to be developed, and I'd have to do a deeper dig to reach a final decision, but I'd probably lean to keep. Whether it's a true rivalry or a highly notable series, the notability is probably there. Sources include: (1) CBS Sports ("Michigan State-Ohio State is best modern rivalry"); (2) The Detroit News ("MSU-OSU is now the big-stakes game in Big Ten"); (3) ("Michigan State-Ohio State football rivalry blossoms with both projected atop the Big Ten"). The notability is also supported by the history of 22 marquee matchups in which both teams were ranked or a ranked team was upset. These marquee matchups include: 1951 (#1 vs #7); 1960 (#8 vs #10); 1972 (MSU upset of #5 OSU); 1974 (MSU upset of #1 OSU); 1975 (#3 vs #11); 1998 (MSU upset of #1 OSU); 2013 (#10 MSU defeated #2 OSU); 2015 (#9 MSU upset #2 OSU); and 2017 (#11 vs #13). Cbl62 (talk) 14:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Maybe so. But I'd rather our criteria were a bit stricter than just "does it pass GNG?" when it comes to rivalries. The problem is that we have to try to prove a negative: you can easily find sources saying a series is a rivalry, but it's a lot tougher to find sources saying one isn't. That's why I cited WP:EXCEPTIONAL even though it doesn't directly apply. Lizard (talk) 14:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Well, I didn't do it, but it's done. AfD here. JohnInDC (talk) 02:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Conforming Rocky Mountain Conference articles to WP:COMMON[edit]

We recently fixed some of the confusion over the naming/usage of Skyline Conference (1938-1962), and I'd now like to do the same for the Rocky Mountain Conference. There is considerable variation in how this conference is referenced in articles, templates, and categories -- sometimes as the Rocky Mountain Conference, other times as the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference, and other times still as the Rocky Mountain Faculty Athletic Conference. My research, based on hits at, shows overwhelmingly that the common usage from at least 1914 to 1963 (I didn't go beyond 1963, as the conference became less notable in later years) was "Rocky Mountain Conference". In a post on October 16, I proposed renaming articles and templates in accordance with this common usage, but have received no feedback. If you have an opinion, please post at: Talk:Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference#Renaming RMAC/RMFAC ---> RMC. Cbl62 (talk) 22:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

While we're fixing things ... "Border Conference"[edit]

Having resolved a couple other conference naming anomalies, there's one more to tackle. Please see Talk:Border Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Cbl62 (talk) 01:39, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Aaron Hernandez article[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Aaron Hernandez#Update. A permalink for it is here. The discussion concerns Hernandez's sexuality and how much detail to include on it, and WP:In-text attribution. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC[edit]

Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Bot request submitted for schedule conversions[edit]

I submitted a bot request 10 days ago to do the conversions to the new schedule templates; see Wikipedia:Bot requests#College football schedule conversions. No one there has yet responded. Perhaps if others here would chime in over there, it would draw some attention. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 02:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Jim Fiore[edit]

So, I just ran across this article today. It appears to have had edit-warring issues going on in the past, and it looks like some POV issues still remain. I'd say the entire article is in need of an overhaul/rewrite. Just putting it out there to try to get some eyeballs on the article. Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Marquis Wright[edit]

I cannot find the appropriate delsort, so notifying the project of an AfD of possible interest that I've listed: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marquis Wright. I'm not watching this page, so please ping me if you reply. StarM 03:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

AfD: Lucien Abraham[edit]

Lucien Abraham, a newly created article for a college football head coach had been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucien Abraham. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 18:17, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Cal Stanford[edit]

Just a heads up. One SPA is trying to change the record of the Big Game (American football) series. Yes I know that Stanford "disputes" the result of the game but I think we need eyes on it. As just more rivalry vandalism.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 15:59, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

NCAA related Templates for merging[edit]

There are two templates for merging that some editors may be interested in:

The first is Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_25#Template:Infobox_IAAUS_football_season which primarily uses a template for college football seasons from 1905-9. The second is Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_25#Template:Infobox_college_swim_team where one editor stated "Not really redundant, so a merger will need to be done; and the swim team template really does not seem a good merge target. There's the whole "Titles" section of the college swim team infobox that needs merger + the whole colors thing which is specific to US college teams. Merging all the NCAA sport templates seems a far better idea." (emphasis mine) I think it would be a good idea if we have a few editors comment in these discussions.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

David Long[edit]

Dave Long (American football, born 1944) was stable at Dave Long (American football) for over 10 years. While trying to figure out how to address the creation of David Long Jr. and David Long (American football), I moved the page. In less than an hour, I tried to move it back. I may have been unclear at WP:AN. I now have a new request in at Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests#Uncontroversial_technical_requests. Feel free to weigh in as is appropriate.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Page has been moved back. Feel free to clean up hatnotes and anything else that catches your eye.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:51, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Also if either of the new guys is related to the guy on the 1971 Ohio State Buckeyes football team feel free to help me establish that.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Coaching trees[edit]

Coaching trees: encyclopedic or trivial? Please join the discussion at Talk:Ryan Day (American football)#Coaching tree. Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

You might want to check out this thread, where this was discussed once before. Ejgreen77 (talk) 23:50, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

2018 College Football All-America Team[edit]

Anybody want to create 2018 College Football All-America Team.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Question how many selectors are we going to include this year? 01:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by UCO2009bluejay (talkcontribs)
I would expect the list of selectors would be similar to prior years.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Annual All-conference teams on the annual season templates[edit]

Should we include the annual All-conference teams on the annual templates. I.e., should {{2017 NCAA Division I FBS football season navbox}} and/or {{2017 NCAA Division I FBS College Football Consensus All-Americans}} have links for 2017 All-ACC football team, 2017 All-SEC football team, 2017 All-Big Ten Conference football team, 2017 All-Big 12 Conference football team, and 2017 All-Pac-12 Conference football team.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. Those templates are National in scope and so including all-conference links, especially just for the Power 5, doesn't seem relevant. Ostealthy (talk) 05:01, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Ostealthy, the first template is already mostly conference-related links. How is this national in scope if the majority of the links are for conferences? The second one mostly links to players rather than articles with national subject matter.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:06, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
The first one is debatable. But it seems to me that if the template is supposed to represent links for the entirety of the FBS season, then the all-conference teams of the Power 5 is not broad enough in scope to be included. Including links to each of the ten conferences' season pages is justified. But the all-conference team is another layer down that tree. The all-Big Ten team is relevant to the Big Ten season, not the FBS season.
Now, with regard to the second template, I don't see how you would justify putting all-conference links on a template titled Consensus All-Americans. --Ostealthy (talk) 05:17, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
In terms of the FBS season template, I was thinking it should include all conference links that are notable enough to have articles. I don't know why only power conference all-conference teams have articles, but those articles are among those deemed notable for that season. If we have conference season articles, why not have links for all the all-conference articles that are considered notable.
WRT the All-American template, I was thinking that these are honorary all-star teams. Why not put these in the below template section?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:28, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Do not add them. Per WP:NAVBOX, templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use. The average reader would be interested in a specific conference, and can navigate from an NCAA season article to the related conference article, and then to the all-conference team.—Bagumba (talk) 08:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

AfD: William D. McHenry[edit]

William D. McHenry has been nominated for deletion. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William D. McHenry. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 04:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Need help stopping incorrect edits.[edit]

On Curt Cignetti's page, User:GoPhoenix1 continues to change the record in the "current record" field to what his "overall record" is. Current record should only be the record obtained at his current position. Cignetti has only been at Elon for the 2017 and 2018 seasons, compiling a record of 14–9. That is the record that should be in the "current record" field. His overall head coaching record, which includes his 2 seasons at Elon and 6 seasons at IUP make up his "overall record" which is 67–26. GoPhoenix1 has had this explained to him/her several times now and continues to ignore it and keeps reverting my edits. I have left messages on Talk:Curt Cignetti and User talk:GoPhoenix1 but the edits continue. I don't want to start and edit war but also don't know how to stop it GoPhoenix1 from changing the page to incorrect information. Can anyone help? Bsuorangecrush (talk) 19:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

GoPhoenix1 has reverted my edits twice with no explanation since this message. Also left a message on their talk page.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 19:45, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh, yes, frustrating. Don't make any more reverts yourself. I've warned him about 3RR on his Talk page. I know that my comment here will be sufficient for you! Let's see if he heeds the warning. JohnInDC (talk) 19:58, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Any chance that this person in violation of the close connection clause. They said that they were "permitted" by the coach. Granted that they likely said it because they thought it would help their cause, despite WP:OWN. In any event this is a WP:SPA because their edits are only on his page.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:14, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

And he just reverted the edits again. Thought he was starting to talk about it first but I guess not. Even removed the warning from his talk page.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 20:17, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't want to revert the page again, I don't want to be blocked for edit warring. But It should be changed to the correct format and I assume GoPhoenix1 should be warned or blocked at this point. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 20:25, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
He's gone over 3RR now, should be blocked shortly. If he reverts yet again, wait until the block kicks in and then fix it yourself (or a tiny bit better, let another one of us do it). JohnInDC (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Ranking tables when not ranked[edit]

Looking for thoughts on ranking tables now that the season is nearing the end. If a team received votes in the AP or Coaches poll but never actually made it to the Top 25 should a ranking table be included on the season article? I have always operated under the thought that just receiving votes is not worthy of warranting an entire table just filled with RV's and NR's. I figure it's a ranking table and if they were never actually ranked then there is no reason for a table so I have removed them from pages if a team was never ranked. Is just receiving votes, sometimes for only one week, worth keeping an entire table?Bsuorangecrush (talk) 02:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I would say delete them if the team was never actually ranked. The only reason I kept and maintained Arkansas' was that I didn't know if there was already a set consensus on what to do - didn't want to delete something that needed to be kept. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:16, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
I vote delete if they were never ranked. Ostealthy (talk) 19:56, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Notre Dame-Penn State Football Rivalry[edit]

Thoughts? JohnInDC (talk) 03:11, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Ah - here's one idea: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CalebHughes JohnInDC (talk) 03:23, 16 December 2018 (UTC)